Dec. 11, 2025

The Evolution of Veterinary Care and Medicine

The Evolution of Veterinary Care and Medicine
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Season 17

In the 60 years in the animal health I have witnessed a change from animal care and healing to corporate expensive medical care. The over use of testing and toxic preventative and drugs, our pets are more unhealthy. Dr Dym and I will reveal the truth.

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Any health related information on the following show provides general

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information only. Content presented on any show by any host

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or guests should not be substituted for a doctor's advice.

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or treatment program. And now it's time for Pet Health Cafe,

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where your Pet has a Voice.

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And here's your host, Bill the Pet Health Guru, and

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welcome to Pet Health Cafe to show where your pet

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has a voice. This is Bill the Pet Health Gurum,

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to you. As we know over the last my tenure

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in pet industry and animal industry has been almost sixty years,

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and I have seen so many tremendous changes in it.

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It's mind boggling actually, and it's not necessarily all in

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the good. And to help me sort through this, I

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want to bring on our special guests after Michael dimm

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And can help us out with some of these answers

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and his own insight on this stuff. How you doing, Doc, I'm.

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Doing pretty well, Bill, You be okay?

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Well, we've been busy. I mean it's it's this is

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a crazy time of year anyway, and you know, the

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on the retail part of it, no matter how we

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look at it, and you know, there's just so much

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stuff going on, you know it, it's kind of crazy.

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Of course. I want to welcome you back from your

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world tour. How how was Australia?

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Australia was a lot of fun.

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You know.

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I presented at a lecture on cochections, as we'll say,

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at you know, a meeting in Melbourne which was attended

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by some other colleagues of mine, both veterinary and non

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veterinary experts in their fields. And we will presented different

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topics at UH at a meeting called CA nine Masters,

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and it was done very very well, and I Lloyd

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the people I met, and uh got a chance to

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see a little Australia and after a long long plane

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ride and a plane ride by it was quite an adventure.

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I had never been to that part of the.

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World, so I haven't been either. That's one of the

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other years I still would like to go to. But uh,

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you know, that's for another time. I guess, you know,

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whenever I retire from what I'm doing, I mean I've

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you know, I've only been in the business a couple

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of years, you know, and I'm still I'm still getting

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my feet wet.

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You're still a novice.

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That's right, That's right. That's why I can say the

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things I do. I can't I got free range yet anyway.

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Seeing some really I mean, I know this a topic

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you asked me about, you know, leading up to the show, right,

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you know, I'll let you kind of.

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Lead the way and we can get into a nice discussion.

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Yeah. Well, I mean basically, when I started in the business,

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seeing a veterinarian, seeing a profession and with animals, was

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I mean, I think probably at that point in time,

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the bulk of the business was still in agriculture, a

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large animal professions, some small animal stuff, you know, a

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lot of it done in home, things of that nature.

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And basically pet owners weren't doing all this, you know,

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regular testing and regular visits and all that stuff. It

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was if there was a problem, you know, either you know,

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possibly when you got a brand new pat you'd go

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in just for general physical, which then it was a physical,

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it wasn't a sales opportunity. You might see that there

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was a major accident, you know, it all got hit

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by a car, run over by a tractor, you know,

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tangled with some wildlife whatever. Of course, on the farm

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it would be pulling calves and helping you know, with

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horses and things like that. That that just got into

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the wrong stuff and then possibly end of life. You know.

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Actually even euthanasia wasn't It was almost never talked about.

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Basically your animal normally would just go to sleep at

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home and you know, end up being buried in the

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backyard or a family plot someplace, or uh that sort

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of thing. So it wasn't all this structure and everything else.

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Now I know that probably when you began in your

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beginning of it, and you can eleborate on this. You see,

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you had to get built in a certain amount of

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structure into what the medical field was. But it wasn't

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cookbook like it is today, was it.

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No, not at all.

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I mean definitely evolved into more complex ways of approaching

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health and disease. And you know it, it wasn't the

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like the automaton way of medicine even today.

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I mean that's evolved today.

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And as you said, you know, you did a physical exam,

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you got a history, and those were the basis of

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your assessment of each patient. There wasn't all this extravagant

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lab testing. I mean, you know, maybe an X ray perhaps,

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I mean not everybody even had X rays back then,

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and maybe an X rays, but not all the fancy

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testing equipment, sonograms, and the testing has gotten not only

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just more volume, but more complex, you know, testing for

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so many various quote unquote infectious diseases, so many different parasites.

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And it's just to me, gotten way out of control.

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Because if you look at just the longevity of animals, Bill,

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as long as you and I have been in this field,

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I mean, animals are not living longer and healthier, you know,

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they're dying younger, they're sicker younger ages. And I've seen

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that evolution of illness and disease of health over my

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thirty thirty four year career.

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And you're still a youngster compared to me. There is.

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Anyway.

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So it's just you know, and and it's got you know,

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it's it's it's not and you know, we'll get into

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more discussion.

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I'm sure during the show.

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Is you know the complexities of evaluating animals and how

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we treat them and even holistically speaking, which I wanted

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to That was another interest in mind to bring up

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the show is how people that are interested in natural healthcare,

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where do they go to for their advice on how

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to take care of animals and.

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When they're well or when they're when they're sick.

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And that's a big topic and it's one that, like

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you said in the and the emotional materials, there's pros

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and cons to what a lot of people are doing

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in every days.

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Yeah, it's really really tough. I mean I can remember

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because back in the seventies when I started in the industry,

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the pend industry, and you know, most pet chaps sold

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puppies and kittens and just about every other animal under

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the sun. I don't believe that in the eight ten

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years I was involved in that part of the industry

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that we ever had a single blood test done on

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any puppy. I think the probably if there was any

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testing at all, it would have been a fecal a urinary,

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and even a urinary would have been a rare case.

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It was a simple fecal test usually involved a microscope, right, No,

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no technical no technical electronics. Nothing.

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The blood the early blood test bill where they would

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you know, people usually had a centrifuge. They would spin

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the blood around and get what's called a pack cell

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volume to see if the animal was ane, mick or not.

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And that was one simple test. And then you know,

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they came up with, you know, a little stick called

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an azo stick, which basically told us whether an animal's

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kidneys might be compromised or what the sugar was. And

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it was a drop of blood on an end of

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a on the end of the end of a stick,

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and you were able to actually a couple of drops

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and you were able to interpret whether the animal might

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be dehydrated or how the kidneys were working, what the

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glucos was. We called that a naso stick on a PCV.

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That was our minimum database and we practiced with that.

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Yeah. Yeah, and you had animals dogs living twenty years

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plus on a regular basis, cats over thirty sometimes no

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regular routine. I mean, I know that when we got

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puppies in, if they were shipped in, they needed a

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health certificate. I mean I worked with many veterinarians, even

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later on in the early eighties when I was starting

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doing rep work, and even in the early two thousands,

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where a vet would commit an animal is going to

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be shipped and they would basically do just a hands

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on physical and maybe check and see if there were

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you know, because at that point in time, they were

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requiring vacs, some backs, you know, some injectable, some worming

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compounds and things of that nature. But it was it

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was a simple, simple issue. And now, I mean it's like,

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you know, every stage, every time an animal is transferred,

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they have to have another complete set of all these preventatives,

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all these other things. And you know, unfortunately, you know,

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you buy a puppy, buy a kitten, and it has

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to be shipped, but it's just in transit is stressful.

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Now you add in all these drugs, all these preventions

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and all that that are added to it. At the

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end of the end of the of the airport, you know,

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the receiving end, you've got a sick puppy or sick kitten.

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Yeah, I mean absolutely, you know.

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And of course that's that's created this whole evolution on

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the on the cost side, you know, it's like, you know,

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why why are your puppies so expensive? Why are your

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kitten so expensive? If you're a decent breed or something

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that's really in favor, And it's because they're looking at

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their liability. They might be responsible when that animal lands

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halfway across the country for thousands and thousands of dollars

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of that bills, right, Yeah, it's gotten so out of control.

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Yeah yeah.

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And then to them these illnesses that you're seeing, you know,

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and you know come from all those boxens that are

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put into these patients. I mean, you know, when we

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give them the injection, we're hoping to prevent infectious disease,

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and many times the injections are actually causing what the

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symptoms gone we're supposed to be prevented, you know, So,

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especially with the respiratory issues.

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Yeah, yeah, a lot of that of push you I

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see a lot of joint problems because of rabies, that

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sort of thing as well, that seems to effect a

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lot of the joints, doesn't it.

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Rabies.

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Yeah, the the injectable stuff.

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The injectable stuff, it does affect the joints absolutely, and

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the central murder system and every every organ system in

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the body, to be honest, you know.

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And of course this carries over maternally, doesn't it in

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the blend of you know, mom and grandmom and great grandmom.

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It just stays in the body and it builds, It

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accumulates over as many generations as you do.

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It absolutely, and then those injectables cause genetic changes. They

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cause auto antibodies against the DNA, and then you get

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new genetic diseases. So the habit that's wrecked on the

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body is just is amazing, you know.

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So, but you know, the the evolution.

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Of also bill over the years, just to watch the

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expansion of specialists after specialists, and we've talked about this

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on previous shows, right and test after test and all

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the expenses that are involved with these things, and the

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treatments really are no different than they were. I mean,

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if anything, while they are different, there's more toxic you know,

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term you know, back in the day, right, remember we

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would just treat you know, allergies either pregmozone or or

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with anahistamines. And now they have a whole battery of

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newer drugs and immunosuppressive medications, injections and powerful pills that

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are you know, doubly as worse as pregno zone.

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were even recommended, we were using things like aresamyasin and tetracycling.

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you know, as far as I can tell, the while

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there's more virulent strains of bacteria and extra thing basically

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most of the most of these things that you would

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use antibiotics, and who will still respond to tetracycling just fine.

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That's right.

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And in fact, that's what you bring up about the

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animiotics because I was taught in school, you know, by

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reputable microbiology teachers. You always want to choose the best antibiotic,

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the most narrow antibiotic you can for the bacteria you're

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looking at, and not use big shotgun treatments, right, And

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so it was it was, you know, there was thought involved. Okay,

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this is the skin. This is the urinary track. What

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are the most likely organisms that are going to cause

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disease there? What would you then choose? And nowadays it's

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just well, let's just throw the kitchen sink at these things.

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And you know, I see all this all the time

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on referral reports. We're an animal with a quote unquoted

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infection ends up having two to three antibiotics thrown at

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it rather than just a simple one or an old one.

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And you know, it's a misuse of medication that's well accepted.

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Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, and it's funny too

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because I can walk into any feed store in a

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rural area and you're still going to find, you know,

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packs of tetracycline on the shelf that you can buy

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over the counter, and they're using poultry and you know,

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other other farm animals. But if you walked into a

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and it's more modern i'll say, veterinary clinic today, will

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there even be tetracycling in it?

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Probably not, you know, I mean you walk into the

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modern corporate omes that no practice, which is what you've

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talked about in previous shows as well as myself, right,

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you know, the medication arsenal on the shelf is just tremendous.

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But the old style of medications, they just you know,

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they cheaper ones. There's no use for that because you

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need to make more money with the more modern expensive.

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Yeah, exactly. Now, I was going to ask you about

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the specialties, which you already brought up, but you know,

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when you're looking at the modern specialties today, they're not

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looking at a whole body perspective. They're you know, your

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cardiology is going to look at your heart. You know,

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you know a thyroid specialist is going to look at

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a thyroid. But the parts are all connected. So how

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can you look at any any single organ or single system,

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part of the system without looking at the whole and

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be able to treat it.

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I agree, I mean the body is an integrated unit.

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You can't separate the parts. But you know, conventional medicine

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that's and it's gotten even more out of control. I

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I just recently had some lab work done myself. I

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just got the results back, and I just can't believe

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build the complexities in just basic blood work for human being.

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or understand records of what was written on them on

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the lab reports. It's just you know, all these different

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numbers and what they mean and theoretically and this and that,

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and then you know, in the laboratory, and all I

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wanted was a basic CBC chemistry just to check my

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allopathic from that perspective, a.

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Major organ function. I end up with this laundry list

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of things and labels and fear and you know, if.

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You don't do this, you know you can do that,

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and various verse is of cholesterol and fat and I

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just I got lost reading my own report.

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what I what we do over at my paleo pet.

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You know, it's like, you know, okay, so you help

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my pat. Can you help me? So okay, bring in

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your lab work and everything else, and like what the

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hell is this? What are they talking about?

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You know?

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And of course nothing on these reports. While they're selling fears,

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there's normally they're hedging it with it might be, it

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could be there's a possibility of nothing definitive, and you

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know the same thing then with the treatment plan, we

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should try this, we should try that. It's like I

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know it's called practicing medicine, but I don't want somebody

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practicing on me. I'm sorry, you know, you know, you know,

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if you have a definitive type of issue, how do

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we then best approach it, both on the natural side

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and on the allopathic side. I mean that should be

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enough every place you go, shouldn't it?

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Absolutely?

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Yeah? I mean it's it's you know, but again that

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evolution of the medical industry. We're not looking at the

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other possibilities, the natural possibilities where we have to, well,

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we can actually make some difference. And I'm actually writing

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an article on the difference between treatments and health. It's

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two totally different subjects in the allopathic world, and quite honestly,

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it's killing our pets. It's killing us. You know, the

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proof is out there is now finally coming out from

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underneath the rocks or finding all these old medical journals

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from one hundred years ago. And with that being said,

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we're going to be right back after this quick message.

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And we're back here on the Petthouth Cafe to show

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where your pet has a voice. This has Bill, a

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petthouse guru, along with my special guest Michael Dim, homeopathic veterinarian,

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and we're talking about all the changes in the industry.

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You know, before we went to the break, I did

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mention all these old studies, all these old journals that

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are coming up and suddenly being surfacing and giving the

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pet owners, the health people a whole different perspective. We've

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known about these things for several generations now, haven't we.

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Absolutely, Yeah, it was way back yep.

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I mean, you know what did we do before you know,

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the powers that came about in the eighteen hundreds that

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bought the medical schools and all of that. How did

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we how did humans? How did animals ever survive without

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this modern medicine ellopathic approach.

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I mean I just literally, when we're on break, I

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got an email from someone just talking about wants me

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to take a case on and wants me to review

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all this information to assess the skin and earfection on an.

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Oral mass fineline summary timeline with.

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Vet records, your analysis reports, blood work pathologies, radiology reports,

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all of those tests and all those reports. I mean,

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how often do you and I usually use those in

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our in restoring health? I want to present that out

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on the table.

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Probably no.

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I mean, well, first off, what you what you don't

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see in those reports because they never asked the questions,

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is a what kind of nutritional program have they been on?

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B what's the environment in the in the house, the yard,

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the neighborhood, like you know, where the where would toxins

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be coming from? And see when you're looking at that

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report and I'm looking at that report, usually we're looking

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at years, literally years of all these workups, and you

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still have the same basic problem in many cases, it's

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even worse than it was when it started. You know,

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they took the dog in the cat in when it

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had mild symptoms, just starting, and they continuously watch it progress,

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they continuously spend all this money, and it's like, you know,

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like Einstein said, what's insanity.

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It is insanity.

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Well, and then you know, of course, all these treatments,

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all these drugs, all these interventions just weaken the body

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further because it really you know, keep it simple is

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what I try and do. And I you know, as

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we get through the show here, I do want to

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get into some of the issues I've seen come up with,

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as I said, the holistic audience and where they're turning

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to for their health advice nowadays, because the answer isn't

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in the more complex. It always comes back to the

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few things you just said. Nutrition, toxicity, of course, looking

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at the role that the body, you know, looking at

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foods and botanicals and homeopathic remedies that can restore health.

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You know that that can stimulate the body's ability to

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heal itself, which it can do most of the time

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unless those drugs and interventions have weakened the body beyond oblivion,

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which unfortunately happens on it.

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Yes, they do now one of the other things. And

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I know that that the conference that you went to

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a necessarily they may have addressed some of this. But

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in the animal health industry, in that whole whole spectrum

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we've been putting on it. I know, in a human

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on the human side, now there's like over ninety different

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specialties and they're all allopathic. What is the problem with

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adding in and the challenges that you have as a

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more holistic practitioner. I mean, some of these some of

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the things that are on that holistic side aren't even

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recognize as specialties and or being trained. Nutrition is a

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good one, you know, it's only been like the last

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ten years that nutrition. And they come up with these

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Board certified nutritional veterinarians, which I find interesting because veterinary

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medicine medicine you can only use drugs detreat, not food.

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And yet they're trying to incorporate it to give themselves

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like some reliability to sell these prepackaged foods.

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I think, so, yeah, absolutely, And then you get you know,

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you get the board certified nutritionists and they're coming in

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with their bias to kind of get people away from

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fresh meat bias and you know, protocols like you have

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at the store.

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It's just it's to keep things within that model of medicine.

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Yeah, exactly, So, you know, I mean the fact of the

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matter is, of course homeooposi has been around how many

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years now years? Yeah, herbals then, you know, there were

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there were no herbal doctors. They were they were natural healers.

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And again that's why I said, I'm writing an article

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on healing rather than medicating treatments, you know, that sort

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of thing.

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You know back in the day too, Bill.

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I mean, you know, there's there's increasing expansion of holistic practitioners,

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but unfortunately they're coming more together and and.

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That kind of thing.

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But one of the things I didn't want to bring up,

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which we can get into it, but is where does

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someone go for the variety of information that's out there

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now for natural healing. You know, back when I first

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studied homeopathy with doctor Pitcairn, we didn't really you know,

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the fax machine was how we was the most technology

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we had. And you know, if I had trouble on

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a case, I'd fax him and and get his input,

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and you know, I dealt with people. We did phone consultations.

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There was no computers. People when they needed foods or

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herbs or supplements, they went to the local store and

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they bought what they could. And nowadays that has, of course,

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with the explosion of the media, of social media, of

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obviously the computer age, the volume of options that are

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there for people wanting to again leave the conventional medical

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model is so vast. And I wanted us to touch

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on that a little bit this evening, regarding the pros

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and cons of that.

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I wanted you to hear.

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Yeah, well, I mean I want to start that out

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with you know, you and I share you know, space

468
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:42.039
on several forums. You know, we get all kinds of comments,

469
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:48.200
all kinds of problems, everything else. And I actually believe that,

470
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:52.359
you know, they contact you, they contact me on various forums,

471
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:54.920
and you know, sometimes we run the same one. And

472
00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:59.680
so obviously if they're looking at us, they're looking for

473
00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:03.480
a more holistic and more natural approach to it. And

474
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:06.799
somebody will come up with a symptom my dog burked

475
00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:10.319
last night, and you're gonna get you know, looking for

476
00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:12.759
you know, is it a problem or isn't it And

477
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.720
you're gonna get a whole stream of rush, right to

478
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:20.400
the emergency room. You know, that's gotta be AI or

479
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:25.599
at least computer generated by the allopathic medicine community.

480
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:27.119
Isn't it absolutely is?

481
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:30.440
Yeah, you know, please panic, will you?

482
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:32.759
I got it. I got it.

483
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:35.960
At the same time, though, Bill, one of the things

484
00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:38.960
I've seen, which is you know, which I know you are,

485
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:42.279
because obviously you know my palliopet and you know has

486
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:47.799
a has a presence. But the tremendous explosion though of

487
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:52.440
holistic options. You know, the social media queen and kings.

488
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:54.359
Of veterinarian medicine that are out.

489
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:58.480
There selling their products across the land, you know, marketing

490
00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:02.160
their products have you know how wonderful you know, marketing models,

491
00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:08.160
you know, a huge audience. The tremendous expansion of social

492
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:12.559
media chat rooms for people to just post their animals problem,

493
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:16.240
like you said, and then get advice from you know,

494
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:20.640
non veterinarians or non experts. That is a concern of

495
00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:24.880
mine because if some of those animals do need holistic

496
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:27.440
veterinary guidance, no matter what that is, doesn't have to

497
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:30.920
be doctor demic to be anybody. What concerns me is

498
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:34.839
just some of the advice that's being I mean, people

499
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:37.839
are you know, with some really sick animals with some

500
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:41.880
advanced pathologies, and they're getting kind of a cookbook approach.

501
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:44.680
But here's what you do. I'm just gonna go on

502
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:48.160
Facebook and just you know, go into this room and get.

503
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:48.960
All my needs met.

504
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:51.720
And I just find that a little bit concerning. I

505
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:52.799
don't know what you're feeling.

506
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:55.640
Well, it is because again when I look at all

507
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:59.680
these practitioners with the letters after their name and all

508
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:04.119
of that, first off, a lot of what they're promoting,

509
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:07.759
especially when it comes to supplementation in foods. Of course

510
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:12.400
they've gone away from the AVMA and their recommendations, but

511
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.960
what they're giving as an alternative is just an alternative.

512
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:17.359
It's not necessarily better.

513
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:18.000
I mean.

514
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:22.279
The biggest one that we see is this whole movement

515
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:26.559
towards freeze dride foods. Well freeze ride foods are ultra

516
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.640
process and they're dead. I mean, I've seen a couple

517
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.440
of posts now where they're actually doing the microscopic you know,

518
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:38.559
photos of real food freeze dride, and they have the

519
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:42.119
audacity and this is a personal issue of mind. They

520
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:46.319
call it raw freeze dried. I know what raw steak

521
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:48.839
looks like. I know what raw ground beef looks like.

522
00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:51.680
It don't look like anything that doctor so and so

523
00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:54.480
is selling online with his name on it. That's made

524
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:59.079
in the same plant as the other fourteen holistic veterinarians

525
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:01.160
doing this. It's all coming out of the same plant

526
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:05.839
by the same processors, with the same ingredients. And you know,

527
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:11.799
it's it's it's actually it's a sham. It's an ultimate sham.

528
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:16.240
And you know, people don't realize freeze dried foods are

529
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:19.119
freezer burned foods. We used to throw that out when

530
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:22.319
you found it in a freezer. Now now they sell

531
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:25.559
it at a premium at a super premium price. I

532
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:28.880
mean it's uh and it's still dry. So you still

533
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:31.079
have the dehydration problem, don't you.

534
00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:35.160
Yes, you do. Lack of water yea.

535
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:37.400
And of course our water is so terrible on top

536
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:41.640
of it. But yeah, you know, and that most of

537
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:45.599
those people online, they're not referring to good quality water.

538
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:48.839
They never talk about the hydration part of it, except

539
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:51.640
that I can't well drink water. They're not designed to

540
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:55.759
drink out of a bowl. You know, that's a physiological issue.

541
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:59.440
But that's that's the advice that happens in every animal

542
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:03.519
clinic office every single day. Right, make your animally drink

543
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:04.000
more water.

544
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:10.160
That's true, the basic nutrient of the body, the foundation

545
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:11.799
of the body exactly.

546
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:14.279
And you know what I mean. There are systems out there.

547
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:17.119
They're not cheap, but there are systems out there that

548
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:19.759
you know, as you're sharing with your pet. You know,

549
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.160
some of these machines have life span of over twenty

550
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:27.200
five years. Yeah, they're four or five six thousand dollars machines. Okay, Oh,

551
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:29.599
I can't afford that, you know, There's no way I

552
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:31.440
can put it in my budget. Oh, by the way,

553
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:34.720
I just want a new car. My payments were only

554
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:36.960
seven hundred dollars a month for the next thirty years,

555
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:39.640
you know, and the car is going to be sitting

556
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:41.680
in the driveway or are parking a lot ninety percent

557
00:32:41.720 --> 00:32:42.160
of the time.

558
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:43.200
Right.

559
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:48.799
It's framewashing, That's what it really is. And I sometimes

560
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:50.920
just it boggles my mind because the way people think

561
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:52.720
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And welcome back here on a Pet Health Cafe to

582
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show where your pet has voice. This is build a

583
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:42.199
Pet Health Guru along with my special guests doctor Michael

584
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.239
dimm and we're talking about where are you getting your

585
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.960
information on holistic care. I have a lot of problems

586
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:51.639
with so much of that stuff. I mean, every time

587
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:55.119
I see, you know, anything to do with nutrition, especially

588
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:59.400
it's like cook versus raw. The eighty ten ten uh.

589
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:02.599
You know, these are animals that came from the wild,

590
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:08.079
that basically self medicated, self sustain themselves, finding the foods

591
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:12.360
that were appropriate for them, designed to process it with

592
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:16.760
their own bodies, and we're trying to micromanage it down

593
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:19.199
to the I mean, I had a customer today and

594
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:20.960
now you had a couple customers that you'll enjoy it.

595
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:27.239
One today has a poodle that appears healthy, probably should.

596
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:30.960
It's a mini, not a toy, it's a mini, and

597
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:34.840
she's feeding approximately a third of a pound of food

598
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.360
a day. And she asked me, she says, is that enough?

599
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:41.639
She says, he always looks hungry, and she literally ran

600
00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:45.599
my hand down the backbone, and I mean it was

601
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:49.199
protruding so badly. I said, don't listen to what's out

602
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:53.280
of the internet, you know, because you're trying to find

603
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:58.000
a specific therapy if you will, even in food is

604
00:35:58.000 --> 00:35:59.880
it got to be a specific protocol and if you

605
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:04.480
if you move out of that way, it's horrible. And

606
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:06.880
then I had another couple on Monday. They came in.

607
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.639
They had we've been doing their dogs with herbs and botanicals.

608
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:12.599
Dogs are doing much better. They're doing horrible. Both of

609
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:15.119
them have got all kinds of problems and I'm starting

610
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:17.000
to explain all the same things. Hey, you know what,

611
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:18.920
you get your dog to share your stuff, that's not

612
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:21.639
a problem. If it'll allow you. You might have to

613
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:25.320
buy your own jock because you won't share. But going

614
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:27.280
through and she you know, we try to eat healthy,

615
00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:28.559
and we try to do this, and we try to

616
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:31.599
do that. And as a caveat my husband and I

617
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:36.360
we've been doing a cellery juice every day for years.

618
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:39.920
It's like, you think that's the natural way, doing one

619
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:44.880
drink every single day. The body's dynamic. After the third

620
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:47.719
day of eat of drinking cellry juice, you need something else.

621
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:51.519
I'm sorry, but you know, and that's why we recommend

622
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:54.719
rotation and stuff like that. But that is almost never

623
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:57.440
And you see to them on the forums, especially when

624
00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:01.039
they talk about food, it's always a brand again, one

625
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:05.119
specific food and they're all looking for the one food

626
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:07.760
right right.

627
00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:11.400
And then you know a few of my holistic colleagues

628
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:14.880
that have a presence on social media, I mean they're

629
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:19.000
talking about how how you know, complex the Chinese herbal

630
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:23.199
formulas are, the homeopathic formulas are, and how that confuses

631
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:26.800
the body and so in some cases not you know again,

632
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:31.519
yahtual doesn't mean it's going to be you know, healthier

633
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:35.679
for your animal necessarily. So I've seen a disturbing growth

634
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:40.599
and tendency. They just want to overdo as many various supplements.

635
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:43.920
Ione will post something on these these forms and then

636
00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:47.559
and then the moderated chimes in with a whole laundry

637
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:51.159
list of recommendations and listen to that, and you know,

638
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:56.320
various probiotics and you know mega different herbs and formulations.

639
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:59.320
And that's what I mean by getting just so far

640
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:04.679
a moved the basic penons of good health. You got

641
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:08.199
to break it down and keep it simple less less.

642
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:11.639
Again on the back side, it's the body's dynamic. It's

643
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:15.079
changing every moment of every single day. Our pet is

644
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:18.360
no different. The nutrients it needs right now, the nutrients

645
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:21.719
I need right now. There's probably something to calm me down,

646
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:26.079
you know, because I'm using I'm using up different minerals,

647
00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:30.559
I'm using up different vitamins. Unfortunately, it doesn't work for

648
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:33.920
weight for weight gain, I'm not bringing enough fat when

649
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:36.000
when I'm ranting on the radio and on the TV.

650
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:38.719
But but that's the whole thing. If you start following

651
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:42.159
that routine, you're throwing the body so far off base,

652
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:46.119
you know, in one direction, and then you didn't. Nothing's

653
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:49.360
working anymore. It doesn't work anymore. Well, everything works to

654
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:52.800
an extent when it comes to natural but if you

655
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.400
overloaded in any given direction, now you've got you've got

656
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:58.079
a whole different set of allergy symptoms, you know that

657
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:01.800
sort of thing. It's like I was on another show

658
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:05.639
with a network over the I do one every Monday.

659
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:08.760
Now I went another show for like a fifteen minute thing.

660
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:13.519
We're talking about Thanksgiving and what foods can the pets

661
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:17.039
have from the Thanksgiving table? Then I said, basically, none

662
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:18.960
of them. You know, you might want to give a

663
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:23.000
little bit of turkey, but sweet potatoes, green bean, no.

664
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:27.360
And we evolved into a discussion about the flu season,

665
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:31.079
and it was funny because we started looking at Okay,

666
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:33.840
So we started Halloween with the candy and the junk food.

667
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.599
We moved directly into Thanksgiving with all the different foods

668
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.679
and the different ultra process stuff that we eat at

669
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:44.679
that holiday, move right into Hanukkah and Christmas again a

670
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:46.400
lot of bad food, a lot of bad drinking, a

671
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:49.480
lot of all of that. Going to New Year's Okay,

672
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:51.320
now we're going to get as healthy. We go to

673
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:54.480
the supplements store and buy a bunch of toxic supplements.

674
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:58.519
Then you've got Valentine's Day. Okay, so it's still bad food.

675
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:02.119
And then all of a sudden, breaking into the flu

676
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:04.920
season is now gone the toxicity from that. We're going

677
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:06.840
into algae sis, so which is the body and doing

678
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.320
nothing more and cleaning out six months of bad food.

679
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:14.519
And it's it's it's so true. And I mean that

680
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.280
we have to watch very very carefully. We don't realize that.

681
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:19.599
And it's the same thing with our pets because they're

682
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:22.880
getting into the same foods. They're eating inappropriate things. And

683
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:26.159
when we look at the pets, okay, first off, from

684
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:30.320
a totally holistic standpoint, look at what they are doing

685
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:33.599
as far as the stress level is concerned. You've got

686
00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:36.239
a bunch of drunken relatives over and they're fighting about

687
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:39.360
politics and everything else. Those dogs are freaking out. If

688
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:41.280
they're not freaking out in the room with you, they're

689
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:45.599
locked up in the closet someplace right not being socialized.

690
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:49.880
So the energy level in that whole environment just changes dramatically,

691
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:53.719
and you know, it's something we have to look at holistically,

692
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:56.639
you know. But of course, yeah, I mean we can

693
00:40:56.679 --> 00:41:01.199
give the Doug Brozact no problem, you know, you know,

694
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:03.119
can you do you have a sedative? Because you know,

695
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:05.239
I know on New Year's Eve the fireworks are going

696
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:06.599
to be going off and they're all going to be

697
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:10.559
freaking out.

698
00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:14.440
That's the latest, uh, the lowest tanquilizer.

699
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:18.760
Oh but when you look at when we would like

700
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:21.079
what you and I do is we start working backwards

701
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:24.719
on it. We found the source. We find so many

702
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:28.559
sources and yet online like you say, you're getting oh

703
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:30.559
I use this, I use that, you know that sort

704
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:32.320
of thing. I know, we got a couple of questions

705
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:33.920
that came in here. If we can get them up

706
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on the board, take a look at them, and if

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you can help address with that. I wonder what she

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wants to recommend. Well, basically, a natural unnatural things. Yeah, yeah,

709
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I use an you know, I use ionized water. You know,

710
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I've got a unit at the store. We sell the

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the product itself already pre done. You can't afford the

712
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you know, five thousand dollars unit, there's a three thousand

713
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dollars unit. If you don't want to buy that, you

714
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can just buy bottle water. You're buying it anyway for yourself,

715
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you know, and you're basically buying tap water that's been

716
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usually filtered to take out all the minerals, which I

717
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know the body doesn't need any minerals. I mean, it's just,

718
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you know, that's something that some some quack holistic doctors about.

719
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Another thing though, I wanted to bring up. You know,

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we have a few minutes, is.

721
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You know, when to see like you know, the concern

722
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I have is is that people are going to approach

723
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the social media world with there's the answer for their animals.

724
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I got all these things, and then these animals have

725
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cancer or severe disease and pathologies and they need the

726
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expertise of someone like you or or any holistic trained

727
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veterinarian helped short through the pathology a little bit. And

728
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so what my concern is is that people are going

729
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to get lost in a sea of holistic social media medicine.

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And I don't think that's the I mean, it obviously

731
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is not, you know he in some cases, so I

732
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like to post less is more that somebody has tried.

733
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Yeah, And that's the other thing too, is you know,

734
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they've always been running into this problem too, that if

735
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if a veterinarian has had any alternative, you know, cees

736
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that sort of thing. They call themselves holistic and you

737
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walk in the office and there is the food, there

738
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is a drugs, there's a fleet prevention all that on

739
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the wall, and you look around it and you don't

740
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see anything that's holistic. So you know that's a misrepresentation,

741
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you know.

742
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I mean I agree. So it's like, you know, we

743
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go from one end of the pendulum to the other,

744
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and I just I just want to, you know, bring

745
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up to the audience that basically, when you do have

746
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very animals with advanced pathologies and cancers and you are

747
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:54.719
healing with herbs and nutritional therapies or homeopathy, that we

748
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:56.880
try to keep it to a lessons more approach and

749
00:43:56.920 --> 00:44:00.519
at least bring in someone like yourself or you know,

750
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a holistic veterinarian, you know, a trained holistic veterinarian that's

751
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not doing the things you just mentioned and at least

752
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:12.239
helping through the situation, because what will happen is is

753
00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:14.599
these people these animals are not going to do well

754
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:18.639
and then they're going to blame the social media places

755
00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:20.800
and the animals aren't going to get the care that

756
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they need. So I'm not saying that we need to

757
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get them back in the bed offices, right, I'm just

758
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saying that we have to be mindful of just getting

759
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:33.159
all our advice from you know, social media sources.

760
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Yeah, and it's again, it's not a single therapy. You

761
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:38.760
have to do that rotation even in homeout with it.

762
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:41.519
You try something, you use something, you sometimes you have

763
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:43.880
to go down the road three four times before everything

764
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is you know, starting to reset itself. And that's what

765
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:49.800
it's basically about, resetting the body. How can we read

766
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How can our clients and our listeners reach you?

767
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:55.079
Oh, they can go to my website which is doctordim

768
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dot com. That's doctor spelled out d O C T

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O R D Y M, and that I my information

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on my practice, my contact information, and I return emails

771
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:07.840
pretty quickly.

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Pretty within twenty four hours.

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Good good And of course they can reach me at

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my Paleo Pet online consultations as well through the website,

775
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stop by the store I'm usually in there. My staff

776
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:22.400
yelled at me that I spend too much time explaining

777
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:24.280
things to people, but you know what, I want them

778
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:27.360
to have the information. And with that being said, doctor Dimmit,

779
00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:28.920
it's all your pleasure to have you on the show.

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We gave a little bit different outlook on this stuff

781
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and hopefully some people will listen to us. And with

782
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that being said, good night everyone, thank you for watching.

783
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Good Night.

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