Are Pet Foods Copper Toxic? Recent FDA warnings creating fear.

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0:47 This is Bill the Pet Health Guru, and I'm gonna have a special guest on tonight. Before we get started, Hey, do want to remind everybody that to share and to subscribe and like the show, share with as many people as you can. Facebook is the best place to do it, and we can track more of it and get more feet on the ground if you will. Also, your comments are welcome in to chat. Any questions you might have for myself or our special guests would be greatly appreciated. This is the first show of the new year, so happy New Year to everyone out there that's watching and listening, and let's have a fantastic healthy year for our pets and for ourselves this year and without further ado, I want to introduce my guests, Morley Robbins, author of Cure Your Fatigue, expert in copper and everything that copper really does in both our pets and our bodies, and why it's so important. How are you doing, Morley doing great?

1:49 Bill A happy New Year. I have no idea this was the first of the year. It's exciting our conversation. Yes, yeah, absolutely now because it is. And of course because over the hopefully over the holidays and next shorre thing with the connections and the advertising we've done, nextoral thing. We've got a few new watchers out there. You want to give the audience a little bit of a background on yourself before we get into the whole big picture. Former hospital exec who endured that for thirty two years and decided to become a wellness coach, health coach and became a self taught mineral expert along the way, and realized that there was a tremendous gap in people's understanding about magnesium and copper and iron, and that's what I focused on. And it's been a whirlwind of information of that, about ten thousand articles in the last fifteen years, and it's been a fascinating process of discovery. We're thrilled to be here to share my perspective about what might be going on relative to the copper dynamic and the doctor Domina. You know, one of the things I mentioned to you when I sent you the invitation this time was we're getting I'm seeing

3:21 in some of the literature coming out on process pet foods. And I just heard recently also on another podcast on the homesteading areas, and that's real thing, that about toxicity with both farm animals and with our dogs and cats, and you and I discussed that one of the previous shows that there's really no such thing as copper toxicity. It's all this regulation, isn't it. Yeah, well I think it is. But what I noticed as I read the article this was the one that was profiled, profiling doctor Center from or Now.

4:01 You can't talk about copper responsibly if you don't talk about iron, and you've got to talk about rets and all, and you've got to talk about just the whole dynamic of those two minerals interacting in the body. And this idea that copper alone can be the problem is it's more narrative than true. But she was talking about liver disease, and what she's really was sort of alluding to is there's a condition in humans called Wilson's disease where there's a build up of copper. And you don't talk about Wilson's disease unless you're talking about ceruo plasma and what's happening with the uh, the copper protein that regulates the dynamics between copper and iron. So I was a little disappointed in her kind of inflammatory assertions that there's this copper toxicity issue, which is just a it's a brainwashing trigger mechanism to get people really scared of copper and talking about using organ beats. That's for that's for the conference, found but there just wasn't any rigorous discussion about the rest of the story ironside, but the retinal the

5:34 copper protein, and you can't you can't talk about this mineral unless you really factor in all the other. Yeah, now you know where you know where of course we're shed in the in the pet food side is and of course the commercial dry foods primarily, and you know, first off, we do we don't have any idea have really what quite kind of quality ingredients they are using because since most of them are rendered products anyway on the animal side, and then we've got a lot of you know, carbohydrates, you know, plant material that's in it. And of course we know how bad our soil is when it comes to trace elements and trace minerals, don't we Yes, indeed, Yeah. A really interesting point though, that a change in the source of copper or the form of copper. And I couldn't find in the article what she was talking about. What was it before? Was it now?

6:36 And implying that there have been some change in how animals were being fed to generate the organ maates and I couldn't trace it back to what the shift was that it occurred in the the sourcing of the copper. Well, that's I mean, that's just it that there everything is so vague when they when you know, AVCO comes out with their recommendations and then they're you know, they're talking about recalls and you know, alerts and stuff like this on certain foods. But you know, with the background that I've had with working with a lot of these foods, you know that these sources are primarily synthetic to start with, and how does the body use synthetic copper, and how do they source that? Well, that's just a it didn't really identify the source or the form. And when you're talking about copper, it's all about bioavailability, and very often in the research what they're using is either copper chloride or copper cultate, But even that I wouldn't regard that as bioavailable. The form that we used in the subblement that I've developed is copper disc isinate, which is a very bioavailable, very readily absorbed form of copper, and it's usable.

8:01 But I don't know well what other forms they might be using in the animal feed industry that would be causing this problem in the dog trip. It just was an inflammatory article, I thought, right, And you know, I can't remember when I was a kid and on our farm when we would get major lgae overgrowth on the ponds and stuff like that, we used copper sulfate to kill the algae's and the plant life. I mean, you know, so it's like, Okay, obviously there are some forms that are going to be that are going to react differently with the life around them, whether it's plant life or animal life. Right, Well, copper is a middle of where a little bit goes a long way, you know, we have think of it this way. The amount of copper needed to run our body, of human body is one hundred milligrams, which fits on the head of a one inch stickment. It's a really tiny little bit of copper. And the amount of iron that we're supposed to have is five thousand milligrams, So one hundred milligrams of copper the five thousand milligrams of iron, So that's a fifty to one ratio. The part that people need to really understand is that as we age, we accumulate more iron. Just came across an article.

9:37 A friend actually sent it to me yesterday and I had a chance to read it today. And this is a very high brow, stuffy scientific article, and you make it very clear that as we age, we accumulate iron. You and I, when I getting any younger, it is the last time writing we have more copp We excu we have more iron in our body than we did when we're in our twenties. And I was just talking with a plant who is seventy eight years old, and she about fell over when I told her that she had twenty eight thousand milligrams of iron in her body because she's seventy eight times three sixty five. It's a big number. And she was suddenly galvanized to do bood donations. She says, now I get it.

10:33 Now, I know why I need to be doing it. I said, we're good. At least it's you know, hitting home now. But that's what's happening, is that there is this gradual accumulation of iron. And what's happening on the flip side is as we age, we tend to lose our copper, and so it becomes a multiplier effect. Instead of being a fifty to one ratio, it's hundreds to one rasio show, And it's a very different than human Yeah, that's true. You know, in the case of us older, older guys and gals, are there natural ways to eliminate some of this iron out of our out of our tissue that's basically you know, causing these problems. Well, there's just ways to do a blood donation.

11:24 Okay, there's only one way. Truly, it's only one way to eliminate excess iron in the human body, and that's blood loss. And every article on iron metabolism, iron dysregulation, whatever, the focus might be. They'll always indicate that there's no een somatic, no formal, no metabolic pathway to get rid of iron. It's blood loss, and so that that becomes a really important framework for understanding how to deal with us. And where women have an advantage over men is they have a natural mechanism for blood loss for forty years of their life. Yeah, everyone, they're dropping, they're dropping iron. They've never thought of it that way, but that blood loss is actually helping them to relieve themselves of the excess iron. And that's why women live longer than they It's because of that constant forty year this charge of iron.

12:26 But that's the number one way to do it. You can use bioflavonoids, you can use there's a product that one of my graduates of my program developed called i Detox, and there's a marvelous product that has a variety of factors that can help thechulate iron out of the body. I've got a position friend here in South Carolina. In fact, I'll see him in the morning, and he relies on the lactoferrin in his processed milk. It's an ancient protein that goes back to the beginning of time that all mammals produce milk, and that milk is designed to keep the iron out of the milk because iron is going to be very toxic to the developing fetus and to the developing baby.

13:24 And that's the that's the real irony, is part and hunt. But the irony is that there is no iron and there's no vitamin D in breast milk. And what are they doing with formula? Infant formula all has iron fortification and vitamin D. It's just like it's an abomination to what motive nation wants in a way of nourishing developing child. Right Exactly, I guess I could start increasing my raw milk, you know, in because since we've been selling that forever, it means I don't have to go back into the cutting room at biocomplete and be cutting up meat where I'm always nicking by myself, and Eddie might Manny might blood to the mix. Exactly. Absolutely, those are some classic approaches. There are other supplements that might benefit or the margin, but you know a lot of those are really like little pipettes, little straws matter. In fact, what we use is the fire hose, and that's what the blood donation is it's this this immediate loss of of iron that helps the body. It's like a think of it as a tonic, and it forces the body to rebuild its blood over the next sixty days. Technically it's fifty six days, but over the next sixty days, the body is

14:56 rebuilding the blood components and it's just a wonderful process for the body to go through to keep itself in tone and in regulation. Now. Now, the other thing, of course, when we look at uh, you know, obviously that involves you know, you know, breaking the skin and that sort of thing in the blood and the body going in the fight or flight, which can exasperate all kinds of other issues like cancer and things like that. How you know, what kind of risks do we have to look at if you've already got any kind of pre existing condition that you may not even be aware of. I think it's important for people to do testing. Uh, you know, I've got a blood test I call the Pulmanti iron panel, and it looks at a lot of these minerals that we talk about, magnesium, zink, the cop of the iron, vitamin A, vibard and other other components. But I think people who really want to take responsibility for their health need to have some awareness of what the components are in their blood.

16:06 So that would be a first step. And I think that to be very careful about the food they're eating, uh, and want to shy away from commercial foods wherever possible and eat a more organic diet, almost exclusively organic diet. But I think people I can't assume that everything is going to be fine without the testing, without the awareness, and they've got to take the responsibility to begin to get that knowledge so that they can manage their health, manage the mineral levels and keep them in balance. Yeah, it's and I know it's tough. And of course the testing, you know, you and I have talked about it a bit before too, and I've discussed a lot on this show that a lot of the testing though, is so inaccurate. And you know, I mean, even when you look at just a standard blood work, the hemolysis factors are normally in fact, I'm just getting a point, they don't even want to put them on there anymore because of the damage to the blood because you have to do all these recalculations, and the average doctor doesn't even look at the ratios or the real numbers. They're just looking at that columnist says h R L you know, high or low and prescribing as rug for it. I mean, it's it's I just did an article on you know, finding the experts who are the real experts, and of course, you know, I consider you one of them, and of course

17:37 I'm in that, you know, I hope that I'm in that same arena. But it's very it's you know, just because you wear co does not mean that you're really an expert, does it. No, not at all. And they know what they know, but they don't know what they don't know. We're all guilty of that. But mistake that a lot of practitioners make is they confuse their training with the truth and they're not the same. And so there's a lot of nuances to the truth of mineral metabolism, which is what I was raising at the beginning of the conversation. You can't talk about copper without talking about iron. You can't talk about copper without retsinol, without ceruloplasma. It's just there was no mention of zinc at all in that article. And again I'm not defending the copper zinc ratio. But if there's really high copper, I'm wondering, what's the status of zinc in the body, what's the status of zinc in the food? And so it just seemed like they were manipulating the focus without due consideration to all the other factors that influence copper status in the body. Whether you're a four legged or two legged critter, there are many variables that go into what's happening with my copper right exactly. And of course you know the differences with us, of course, being more of an omnivore type body, and of course our dogs and cats

19:08 being basically pure carnivores, and our cattle being verbal wars. I mean, you know, we have to take all these things in and we're still all taking in the same minerals, we're still taking in the same vitamins, but we use them in a different way and they have to be presented in a different way in order for the body to use that. And you know, we're right now, we're up against the breaks here in about ten seconds, and I'd like to get into that a little bit more after the break, because you know, we have to make these little adjustments. But it's really not all that difficult if we're looking at species appropriateness of the foods, and we'll be right back after this quick message. We all want our pets to be as healthy as possible. My paleopet is the answer. Let us help relieve your pet. We ear infections, elegies, scratching and itching, diabetes, joint problems, cancer, and other ailments by providing our naturally raised, rock cooked, or frozen biocomplete natural diet entrees that are custom formulated to be species specific and USDA approved. For more information, visit mypeliapet dot com.

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21:45 I want to remind those watching and listening that you can send in your comments in our chat the like and share this with as many people as you can subscribe so we can get this message out because we have a lot of a lot of different ago that we're looking at here. And before were to break and we mentioned about the different diets, the species appropriateness of the diets, and where different animals are going to get these minerals. Obviously the herbal wars have got to get it through their plant material, you know. And of course the plants are depending on what minerals are and are in the soil itself, aren't they With our moniculture, they're supposed to be. My wife and I just finished a wonderful book that you may have already read, but I would encourage your followers to read. It's called Dirt the Soil by Gabe Brown. He's a North Dakota based farmer who's transformed farming with his He wasn't he wasn't born into farming. He just decided to become a farmer. So he came in with his very you know, curious mind about how can I do this differently? And it's a very captivating the story. But he talks about if you want to restore soil, you've got to involve animals, because the animals need to generate the waste matter that have the microbes, that have

23:17 the nutrients in the minerals to begin to repopulate the dirt so it can become soil. Because soil is alive, dirt is dead, and it's again, we don't think about that because not many of us live on farms. You grew up on a farm. I didn't. I'm an urban cowboy, and you don't want me to help you on a farm because I'd make a mess of things, I'm sure. But the thing is, it's very practical wisdom. It goes into restoring the vitality in the soil, in the plants, in the animals, and we've just lost that natural under standing up the cycle of life. You know. It's interesting. Over the over the holidays, I got a chance to visit one of our the farms that we get our dairy products from, and nice sized farm, a little over six hundred acres, twelve separate pastures, uh, and they grazed the cattle on each of the pastures probably two to three weeks. Max wrote him into another pasture.

24:25 They then take and let a lot of the forage grow back harvest that is silage, and once they take that first cutting, they recultivate that in either a different grass, a different legoom like clover, that sort of thing to resort to nitrogen. Of course, we've got the animal waste that's already there, and it just do you just keep chasing it around it and it's basically regenerative. It keeps building, you know, that soil from dirt. And in fact, it's funny because when he took over the farm, he said that this farm was basically by a logically dead, no wildlife or anything. And in a few years he's been there, he says it's a complete transformation.

25:08 Yeah, I mean it took I think it took gay round about four years to really transform his his pastors. And he makes a really fascinating point about the importance of cover crop to keep the nutrients going into the soil. And he makes his observation. He says, you know, we don't starve the livestock above the ground. We feed them every day. Why would you starve the livestock below the ground? The micro microsome the rises on the layer that depends on these nutrients. And it's just a very clever and powerful way to get you to think differently about the process of recycling. Yeah, I just thought there was a question in the in the in the chat, you know, but how do we know where our food's coming from? And it's a thing you've basically got to create these relationships with either you know, the farmers directly like I do. But I'm also a resiler, so you know, my customers have to depend on me to go out and visit these farms and see what's actually going on in the ground. I mean, the most fascinating things. I've been do a lot of dairy farms over over my years, and even even beef cattle, and that's really and to find a farm that did not have a single bag of commercial food on it. Even even with the young calves, and we posted some of those on our social media,

26:40 there was no milk replacer. Moms have been fed to the point on good natural stuff. If that raw moult that we're getting has the nutrients in it, that's going to help us with our iron problem, that's rue. Absolutely, It's an important observation. How do we know? You've got to investigate you got it did either either directly as you're suggesting with the farmers, or find a trusted reseller like yourself. You're you're putting your reputation on the line by saying I've made the right choices and you can and I pledge that I'm going to do everything I can to get you the right kind of food right exactly. And you know, of course, you know, with this comes of you know, a greater costs. I mean, if we had to because of the crazy weather we've been having in Florida this last year, the pastors weren't quite as good as they were supposed to be. The cover crops weren't ready when exactly we needed it, So we're having to you know, buy some food which is generally not you know, a non GMO organic alfalfa. The price of that went up actually quadrupled in the last year.

27:53 And it's uh. In fact, I just got something from one of my clients that, uh, one of the farm reports that a lot of the farmers that were raising corn are switching to all FLFA, non GMO of alfa because they can make more money. That stupid, no, you know, but of course they lose their subsidies at the same time. That's part of the problem, you know, on the corn right. I wouldn't have thought of that right away. Yeah, And of course it's upsets the fertilizer salesman and the inseycticized salesman. Look at the chemical companies basically, well, and that's that's the point that Gave Broell makes in his book, is he has no chemicals at all. Yeah. No, and and he's able to to inspire other farmers by his success and some more and more farmers. I mean, the catchphrase now is regenerative farming. It's just it's good old fashioned farming, is what it is. Yeah, exactly, that's what it is.

28:56 That's basically what it was for the most part when I you know, when I started, because we didn't have the big machinery. You know, the mechanization is what really destroyed American agriculture because you know, you're spending half a million dollars on the combine. You have to plant the crop that you can use it on and you can make money on. You know, you can't make it, you know cutting. Hey, you got to pay that note every month, right exactly. Yeah, and you have to you know, normally with that size equipment, you have to convince your neighbors to do the same so you can provide them with the service to help make that payment. Yeah, and that that's why you can drive and see thousands and thousands of acres of corn and not another plant, you know, in existence. Exactly.

29:42 That kind of mount hop is just what's killed farming in many places of the world. It's just yeah, it just destroys the diversity of the microbiome. Yeah, exactly. But kind of getting back to some of this other stuff we were talking about the different types of food. Now, obviously we try to talk a little bit about the herb of words, that they have to get their minerals directly from the plant material, which is coming directly from the soil. Of course, now when we're looking at the carnivores or even us as a earth as an omnivore. We we're going to get some of it from the from the plant material that we're eating. But on the other side of it, all the meat products, all the animal based products, they have to get it by eating that. The animals that fed on that good, high quality you know, forage and that sort of thing, and have done the conversion for us, you know, taking that you know, the for instance, the omega threes and converting it from a A la process to you know, the good depa that we need for healing their bodies, you o mega. You know, it's going from omega six to omega threes and nine, you know, so that our body doesn't have to work that high. And of course when we try to do that, and especially when we look at a vegan diet like that, to do that conversion, that's going to use a lot of the minerals, and of course the minerals are being used by the hormones which are connected to the enzymes. We're actually creating

31:14 sometimes deficiencies that way, aren't well. Yeah, the part that a lot of people who choose a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle. I'm not trying to get into religious words here. It's just it's a biological fact that we our body is designed to have access, especially to the animal fats that are so important. But also I think we benefit from those animal proteins. The purine protein is very different than something that's coming out of a vegetable, and there especially, I mean, I'm a type of If I don't have furine protein, I'm not a happy guy. I need I need that a source of protein.

31:57 I need that source of fat, and the chemistry in our body recognizes and knows what to do with it. I would say one of the most challenged clients I ever had was the She was an adult vegan born to two lifelong vegans, and she was a hurt and cowboy, and she just didn't she had she had a real iron problem. Though. Yeah, she didn't have she didn't have the animal fat, she didn't have the retinal to make the copper bioavailable, and then the bioavailable copper is what regulates iron in the body to make it usable and functional. So the two words that I absolutely despise in medicine and nutrition are high and low because that those polarizing words.

33:00 Nothing. Let's talk about what's by available, what's usable, what is catalytic, what's actually enabling us to get the work done inside our body in order to sustain our pathways. And this idea of high and low like oh, dry dog food is copper toxic, which implies it has too much copper. Well, let's ask one question, why what form? Let's ask another question, what form are you using? And where are these other components of the cycle that they're not even talking about. So I think people need to realize that the body, there's wisdom in our body. It knows how to keep itself in balance. It just has to have the right nutrients from reliable sources.

33:51 And that takes time and discernment to make sure that you're getting those quality sources of food. And that's again we're going back to do you have a relationship with a farmer or do you have a relationship with a reseller who has the relationships with the farmer. Yeah, it's you know, with within a minute here at the next break, but you know, you mentioned you know, magnesium factor is a big part of that as well. And of course we you know, when we look at it on the other side, when we're looking at magnesium, you also have to be looking at the at the ratios and the relationships with calcium and manganese and and you know, you know vie, I mean uh D and K two and this whole plethora that all have to work together, because if you start completing one or imbalancing one or disregulating one, we're just gonna have one crazy mess. And let's talk about that as soon as we get back from this quick break. Okay, does your pet suffer from allergies, cancer, digestive issues, or joint and skin problems. These can be from poor nutrition, and My Pilio Pet can help.

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37:37 Without copper. You can't communicate within the the metabolic pathways. There's a critical enzyme that needs to express called pam him enzyme that's copper dependent. All the connective tissue in humans forty of our tissue is connective tissue. What's all that thegether by one enzyme that's copper dependent. I mean, it just goes on and on, all these different really known hiitting factors that enable life to work properly. The immune system, oh my gosh, the immune system in an animal is very dependent on copper. But again it's been marginalized and demonized over the last century to the point where it's it's really laughable. At this point, It's like it is so central to life especially animal life as you as you indicate, and people don't know that, they don't realize its importance.

38:37 Well, you know the important part two, when we're looking at our animals, whether there are our pets and our companion animals or even farm animals, they don't speak English or any other language other than their own, and they can't communicate very readily with us. You know, they do obviously if we're watching their you know, uh, their you know, their their body, their behaviors and things of that nature. But still it's a challenge to try to, you know, pick and choose. And as we went out of the break, we were talking a little bit about bringing in the other elements, the magnesium, and then of course the ratio is with the calcium and all of that. And when you start adding, especially in these commercial foods, you start adding in extra copper or extra magnesium, or extra zinc or iron like you mentioned with you know, the baby formulas and things of that nature. Number one, of course, that's going to throw something else off because it's no longer in balance, and you don't know how it was, how these supplements were processed, or you may have a plethora of other chemical components that are that are bound to these that could also do something that you talk extensively about in your book, and it stresses the body and stresses one of the one of the key problems isn't it absolutely does. And the minerals are they're really riding on sea sauce, and so there's a sea stall for

40:08 magnesium and calcium, there's a sea salt for copper and iron, there's a sea salt for vitamin A and D and so on and so forth. And if those sea saws get skewed, there's a compound effect that it takes place inside the body. So they're all they're all interlocking free sauce, and within the root cause protocol, we just focus on a very finite number of those sea sauce because we figure these of the critical futh especially around the magnesium and the copper and the iron, and they are sort of, if you will, at the top of the pecking order, and if these at the very top are in balance, it's going to ease the streath and the dynamic in the subsequent layers of minerals. Not really critical to be anative to in terms of what what kind of foods are your pets seating and what's the sourcing of those foods. Have they been properly and thoughtfully balanced in their formulation? Yeah?

41:17 Again, you know, we get you know, if you have other questions, go ahead and submit them. But you know you mentioned your root cause protocol. I don't think most people are familiar, you know, at least that because I'm dealing on the pet side, they're not familiar with what that involves. Can you give a little bit of a breakdown on that, Because and reading a book and looking at some of your stuff on your website neturally, I've become more and more intrigued, to be honest. Yeah, No, it's it's something that as I got into this work and really was trying to identify why is everyone so sick? I began I really started the journey focusing on magnesium loss and we're trying to figure out why that was such a prevalent part of our lifestyle. And then realized that it was iron excess iron in the tissue causing the magnesium loss. And what people don't realize that if if iron is low in the blood test, it means it's high in the tissue. Well, if it's high in the tissue it's going to do a lot of damage. It's a very reactive element. It's the master prooxidant on the planet. Well, what does that mean. It likes to rust things, It's really good at rusting things. And so I began to realize that dynamic between magnesium and iron, and then backed into it's what's copper that

42:47 regulates iron, and so when people are worried about their magnesium loss, what they need to do is solve the copper problem. And most people don't realize how little copper they have in their life, and so solve the copper problem to regulate the iron to prevent the magnesium loss. And so as I got into the research around that, I began to realize whether it's some things we've got to stop eating, stop supplementing with, and the things we've got to start eating and start supplementing with. And that's what really created the Root Cause protocol was getting people to stop doing a lot of the conventional recommendations like well, take calcium, take iron, take a scorbic acid, take vitamin ded, take zinc. These are really you talk about disrupting the balance and the body. And as people come off of those and then they begin to do the starts, and there's three phases of starts, and it's all laid out in the book, but it's also on our website RCP one two, three dot org. As you get into the phases, people just find how much better they feel. And I was talking with a doctor today. She's in Texas and she's transformed her practice around the root Cross protocol, but she's been spooked more recently by a lot of the buzz around fish oils and proofas poly

44:24 on Saturday fatty acids. So one of the cornerstones of the RCP is codle of oil. Well, she stopped giving codliver oil to her clients and I said, what have you noticed? And she said, well, you know, we're getting a lot more complaints about constipation, a lot more complaints about sleeplessness. And she said, and the digestion isn't right. And I said, well, what is that telling you? She said, well, coddle of oil must be really really important. I said, that's right. And so the magic around proof us proofers are like gasoline. You probably have gasoline in your car, right, Do you worry about the gasoline in your car?

45:08 No? Because you don't play with matches, do you, And it turns out that iron is the match to cause proofers to be so destructive. Well you you would not strike a match in the presence of a gallon of gasoline. Well, don't, don't worry about the proofs if you're focusing on regulating the iron, and that's really what the focus of the RCP is. Yeah, you saw there was a question up there. I don't know if you saw it or not. But the magnesium, Yeah, and taking it again that same thing is if you're just taking that one thing, it's not you're causing more dysregulation, aren't you. Yeah. Whether I think what's what might be missing is the testing side, maybe a hair test and a blood tests to find out what else might be going on in the body. These are very stressful times, as you well know them. And when we're under stress, we're burning through minerals very quickly. In acute stress, we're going to burn through magnesium. In chronic stress, we're going to lock up our copper. But those are the two minerals we need in order to make energy.

46:22 Why is energy important? Because that's how we get out of stress. We gotta we've gotta remove the stress We've got to deal with the stress, and it takes energy to do that. And so if someone has been taking magnesium for a number of years, I have to question the form. It's magnesium citrate that might be part of the problem. There really are fully four different types of magnesium. You've got magnesium in water, You've got magnesium in plants. Anything in the screen is going to have meese in it. You've got transdermal magnesium EPs and salt or magnesum chloride oil, right, and then the fourth kind would be supplemental magnesium. You're about twenty five different forms of subplemental magnesium, so you want to stay away from magnesum oxide, magnese and citri are very problematic because they're not bioavailable. And so what I've learned over the years is that the magnesium now ate the magnesium licinate probably the two most bioavailable. A lot of people like the magnesium three helps calm them down, helps them sleep. I don't know that that form of magnesium is any better than others, but it has cachet in the marketplace, and so people find that that really helps them. I think it's called neuromag or has a variety of memes, but there are a lot of different forms, but there are

47:57 only a few that really have been back and have higher bioavailability, and the mallet and the glacier are probably the two most popular. A quick question here before we were almost at the end of the program here, should you cook with cod liver oil? Great question. I've never never even thought about it. I don't know. I'm gonna have to look into that next time we talk. I'll let you out because I've never I've never even thought of it as a cooking one, right, okay now? And also a mineral test thing. I mean, we do hair mineral tests on our website at mypaleopet dot com. Morley, how can people reach you? We're at the end of the show here, I don't know where that hour at. I know my website r c P one two three dot org, social media, make me some an advocacy group, the RCP page on Facebook for the press.

48:55 Precious few that want to reach out to me directly on my website or my excuse. My email is Marthy Robbins a Gmail and if you want to call eight four seven nine two eight zero six yoe. And the best, most entertaining part of my day, Bill is what people call me an I answer and then they go poxic. Well, really, it doesn't expect you to answer. Listen, you know that. I know again, it's always a pleasure to have you on. Let's plan another one maybe for next month. And is that being said? Thank you everyone for watching and sharing it with all your friends and neighbors, and let's have a healthy twenty twenty four good night, folks. We all want our pets to be as healthy as possible.

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