Are Pet Foods Copper Toxic? Recent FDA warnings creating fear.

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introduce my guests, Morley Robbins,
author of Cure Your Fatigue, expert in

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copper and everything that copper really does
in both our pets and our bodies,

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and why it's so important. How
are you doing, Morley doing great?

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Bill A happy New Year. I
have no idea this was the first of

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the year. It's exciting our conversation. Yes, yeah, absolutely now because

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it is. And of course because
over the hopefully over the holidays and next

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shorre thing with the connections and the
advertising we've done, nextoral thing. We've

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got a few new watchers out there. You want to give the audience a

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little bit of a background on yourself
before we get into the whole big picture.

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Former hospital exec who endured that for
thirty two years and decided to become

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a wellness coach, health coach and
became a self taught mineral expert along the

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way, and realized that there was
a tremendous gap in people's understanding about magnesium

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and copper and iron, and that's
what I focused on. And it's been

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a whirlwind of information of that,
about ten thousand articles in the last fifteen

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years, and it's been a fascinating
process of discovery. We're thrilled to be

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here to share my perspective about what
might be going on relative to the copper

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dynamic and the doctor Domina. You
know, one of the things I mentioned

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to you when I sent you the
invitation this time was we're getting I'm seeing

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in some of the literature coming out
on process pet foods. And I just

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heard recently also on another podcast on
the homesteading areas, and that's real thing,

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that about toxicity with both farm animals
and with our dogs and cats,

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and you and I discussed that one
of the previous shows that there's really no

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such thing as copper toxicity. It's
all this regulation, isn't it. Yeah,

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well I think it is. But
what I noticed as I read the

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article this was the one that was
profiled, profiling doctor Center from or Now.

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You can't talk about copper responsibly if
you don't talk about iron, and

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you've got to talk about rets and
all, and you've got to talk about

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just the whole dynamic of those two
minerals interacting in the body. And this

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idea that copper alone can be the
problem is it's more narrative than true.

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But she was talking about liver disease, and what she's really was sort of

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alluding to is there's a condition in
humans called Wilson's disease where there's a build

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up of copper. And you don't
talk about Wilson's disease unless you're talking about

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ceruo plasma and what's happening with the
uh, the copper protein that regulates the

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dynamics between copper and iron. So
I was a little disappointed in her kind

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of inflammatory assertions that there's this copper
toxicity issue, which is just a it's

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a brainwashing trigger mechanism to get people
really scared of copper and talking about using

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organ beats. That's for that's for
the conference, found but there just wasn't

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any rigorous discussion about the rest of
the story ironside, but the retinal the

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copper protein, and you can't you
can't talk about this mineral unless you really

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factor in all the other. Yeah, now you know where you know where

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of course we're shed in the in
the pet food side is and of course

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the commercial dry foods primarily, and
you know, first off, we do

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we don't have any idea have really
what quite kind of quality ingredients they are

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using because since most of them are
rendered products anyway on the animal side,

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and then we've got a lot of
you know, carbohydrates, you know,

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plant material that's in it. And
of course we know how bad our soil

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is when it comes to trace elements
and trace minerals, don't we Yes,

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indeed, Yeah. A really interesting
point though, that a change in the

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source of copper or the form of
copper. And I couldn't find in the

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article what she was talking about.
What was it before? Was it now?

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And implying that there have been some
change in how animals were being fed

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to generate the organ maates and I
couldn't trace it back to what the shift

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was that it occurred in the the
sourcing of the copper. Well, that's

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I mean, that's just it that
there everything is so vague when they when

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you know, AVCO comes out with
their recommendations and then they're you know,

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they're talking about recalls and you know, alerts and stuff like this on certain

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foods. But you know, with
the background that I've had with working with

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a lot of these foods, you
know that these sources are primarily synthetic to

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start with, and how does the
body use synthetic copper, and how do

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they source that? Well, that's
just a it didn't really identify the source

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or the form. And when you're
talking about copper, it's all about bioavailability,

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and very often in the research what
they're using is either copper chloride or

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copper cultate, But even that I
wouldn't regard that as bioavailable. The form

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that we used in the subblement that
I've developed is copper disc isinate, which

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is a very bioavailable, very readily
absorbed form of copper, and it's usable.

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But I don't know well what other
forms they might be using in the

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animal feed industry that would be causing
this problem in the dog trip. It

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just was an inflammatory article, I
thought, right, And you know,

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I can't remember when I was a
kid and on our farm when we would

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get major lgae overgrowth on the ponds
and stuff like that, we used copper

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sulfate to kill the algae's and the
plant life. I mean, you know,

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so it's like, Okay, obviously
there are some forms that are going

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to be that are going to react
differently with the life around them, whether

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it's plant life or animal life.
Right, Well, copper is a middle

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of where a little bit goes a
long way, you know, we have

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think of it this way. The
amount of copper needed to run our body,

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of human body is one hundred milligrams, which fits on the head of

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a one inch stickment. It's a
really tiny little bit of copper. And

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the amount of iron that we're supposed
to have is five thousand milligrams, So

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one hundred milligrams of copper the five
thousand milligrams of iron, So that's a

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fifty to one ratio. The part
that people need to really understand is that

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as we age, we accumulate more
iron. Just came across an article.

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A friend actually sent it to me
yesterday and I had a chance to read

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it today. And this is a
very high brow, stuffy scientific article,

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and you make it very clear that
as we age, we accumulate iron.

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You and I, when I getting
any younger, it is the last time

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writing we have more copp We excu
we have more iron in our body than

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we did when we're in our twenties. And I was just talking with a

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plant who is seventy eight years old, and she about fell over when I

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told her that she had twenty eight
thousand milligrams of iron in her body because

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she's seventy eight times three sixty five. It's a big number. And she

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was suddenly galvanized to do bood donations. She says, now I get it.

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Now, I know why I need
to be doing it. I said,

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we're good. At least it's you
know, hitting home now. But

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that's what's happening, is that there
is this gradual accumulation of iron. And

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what's happening on the flip side is
as we age, we tend to lose

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our copper, and so it becomes
a multiplier effect. Instead of being a

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fifty to one ratio, it's hundreds
to one rasio show, And it's a

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very different than human Yeah, that's
true. You know, in the case

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of us older, older guys and
gals, are there natural ways to eliminate

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some of this iron out of our
out of our tissue that's basically you know,

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causing these problems. Well, there's
just ways to do a blood donation.

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Okay, there's only one way.
Truly, it's only one way to

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eliminate excess iron in the human body, and that's blood loss. And every

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article on iron metabolism, iron dysregulation, whatever, the focus might be.

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They'll always indicate that there's no een
somatic, no formal, no metabolic pathway

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to get rid of iron. It's
blood loss, and so that that becomes

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a really important framework for understanding how
to deal with us. And where women

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have an advantage over men is they
have a natural mechanism for blood loss for

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forty years of their life. Yeah, everyone, they're dropping, they're dropping

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iron. They've never thought of it
that way, but that blood loss is

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actually helping them to relieve themselves of
the excess iron. And that's why women

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live longer than they It's because of
that constant forty year this charge of iron.

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But that's the number one way to
do it. You can use bioflavonoids,

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you can use there's a product that
one of my graduates of my program

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developed called i Detox, and there's
a marvelous product that has a variety of

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factors that can help thechulate iron out
of the body. I've got a position

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friend here in South Carolina. In
fact, I'll see him in the morning,

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and he relies on the lactoferrin in
his processed milk. It's an ancient

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protein that goes back to the beginning
of time that all mammals produce milk,

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and that milk is designed to keep
the iron out of the milk because iron

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is going to be very toxic to
the developing fetus and to the developing baby.

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And that's the that's the real irony, is part and hunt. But

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the irony is that there is no
iron and there's no vitamin D in breast

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milk. And what are they doing
with formula? Infant formula all has iron

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fortification and vitamin D. It's just
like it's an abomination to what motive nation

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wants in a way of nourishing developing
child. Right Exactly, I guess I

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could start increasing my raw milk,
you know, in because since we've been

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selling that forever, it means I
don't have to go back into the cutting

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room at biocomplete and be cutting up
meat where I'm always nicking by myself,

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and Eddie might Manny might blood to
the mix. Exactly. Absolutely, those

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are some classic approaches. There are
other supplements that might benefit or the margin,

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but you know a lot of those
are really like little pipettes, little

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straws matter. In fact, what
we use is the fire hose, and

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that's what the blood donation is it's
this this immediate loss of of iron that

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helps the body. It's like a
think of it as a tonic, and

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it forces the body to rebuild its
blood over the next sixty days. Technically

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it's fifty six days, but over
the next sixty days, the body is

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rebuilding the blood components and it's just
a wonderful process for the body to go

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through to keep itself in tone and
in regulation. Now. Now, the

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other thing, of course, when
we look at uh, you know,

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obviously that involves you know, you
know, breaking the skin and that sort

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of thing in the blood and the
body going in the fight or flight,

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which can exasperate all kinds of other
issues like cancer and things like that.

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How you know, what kind of
risks do we have to look at if

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you've already got any kind of pre
existing condition that you may not even be

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aware of. I think it's important
for people to do testing. Uh,

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you know, I've got a blood
test I call the Pulmanti iron panel,

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and it looks at a lot of
these minerals that we talk about, magnesium,

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zink, the cop of the iron, vitamin A, vibard and other

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other components. But I think people
who really want to take responsibility for their

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health need to have some awareness of
what the components are in their blood.

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So that would be a first step. And I think that to be very

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careful about the food they're eating,
uh, and want to shy away from

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commercial foods wherever possible and eat a
more organic diet, almost exclusively organic diet.

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But I think people I can't assume
that everything is going to be fine

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without the testing, without the awareness, and they've got to take the responsibility

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to begin to get that knowledge so
that they can manage their health, manage

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the mineral levels and keep them in
balance. Yeah, it's and I know

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it's tough. And of course the
testing, you know, you and I

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have talked about it a bit before
too, and I've discussed a lot on

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this show that a lot of the
testing though, is so inaccurate. And

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you know, I mean, even
when you look at just a standard blood

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work, the hemolysis factors are normally
in fact, I'm just getting a point,

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they don't even want to put them
on there anymore because of the damage

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to the blood because you have to
do all these recalculations, and the average

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doctor doesn't even look at the ratios
or the real numbers. They're just looking

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at that columnist says h R L
you know, high or low and prescribing

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as rug for it. I mean, it's it's I just did an article

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on you know, finding the experts
who are the real experts, and of

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course, you know, I consider
you one of them, and of course

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I'm in that, you know,
I hope that I'm in that same arena.

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But it's very it's you know,
just because you wear co does not

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mean that you're really an expert,
does it. No, not at all.

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And they know what they know,
but they don't know what they don't

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know. We're all guilty of that. But mistake that a lot of practitioners

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make is they confuse their training with
the truth and they're not the same.

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And so there's a lot of nuances
to the truth of mineral metabolism, which

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is what I was raising at the
beginning of the conversation. You can't talk

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about copper without talking about iron.
You can't talk about copper without retsinol,

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without ceruloplasma. It's just there was
no mention of zinc at all in that

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article. And again I'm not defending
the copper zinc ratio. But if there's

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really high copper, I'm wondering,
what's the status of zinc in the body,

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what's the status of zinc in the
food? And so it just seemed

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like they were manipulating the focus without
due consideration to all the other factors that

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influence copper status in the body.
Whether you're a four legged or two legged

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critter, there are many variables that
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exactly. And of course you know
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being more of an omnivore type body, and of course our dogs and cats

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you know, we have to take
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taking in the same minerals, we're
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we use them in a different way
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different way in order for the body
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we're right now, we're up against
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because you know, we have to
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Health gurul I with my special guest
Morley Robbins. We're talking about copper again.

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I want to remind those watching and
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can subscribe so we can get this
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a lot of different ago that we're
looking at here. And before were to

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break and we mentioned about the different
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and where different animals are going to
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wars have got to get it through
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of course the plants are depending on
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itself, aren't they With our moniculture, they're supposed to be. My wife

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and I just finished a wonderful book
that you may have already read, but

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I would encourage your followers to read. It's called Dirt the Soil by Gabe

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Brown. He's a North Dakota based
farmer who's transformed farming with his He wasn't

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he wasn't born into farming. He
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he came in with his very you
know, curious mind about how can I

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do this differently? And it's a
very captivating the story. But he talks

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about if you want to restore soil, you've got to involve animals, because

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the animals need to generate the waste
matter that have the microbes, that have

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the nutrients in the minerals to begin
to repopulate the dirt so it can become

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soil. Because soil is alive,
dirt is dead, and it's again,

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we don't think about that because not
many of us live on farms. You

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grew up on a farm. I
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you don't want me to help you
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of things, I'm sure. But
the thing is, it's very practical wisdom.

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It goes into restoring the vitality in
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in the animals, and we've just
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of life. You know. It's
interesting. Over the over the holidays,

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I got a chance to visit one
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dairy products from, and nice sized
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twelve separate pastures, uh, and
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the pastures probably two to three weeks. Max wrote him into another pasture.

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They then take and let a lot
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silage, and once they take that
first cutting, they recultivate that in either

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a different grass, a different legoom
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resort to nitrogen. Of course,
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and it just do you just keep
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regenerative. It keeps building, you
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in fact, it's funny because when
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that this farm was basically by a
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years to really transform his his pastors. And he makes a really fascinating point

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about the importance of cover crop to
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And he makes his observation. He
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the livestock above the ground. We
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starve the livestock below the ground?
The micro microsome the rises on the layer

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that depends on these nutrients. And
it's just a very clever and powerful way

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to get you to think differently about
the process of recycling. Yeah, I

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just thought there was a question in
the in the in the chat, you

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know, but how do we know
where our food's coming from? And it's

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a thing you've basically got to create
these relationships with either you know, the

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farmers directly like I do. But
I'm also a resiler, so you know,

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my customers have to depend on me
to go out and visit these farms

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and see what's actually going on in
the ground. I mean, the most

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fascinating things. I've been do a
lot of dairy farms over over my years,

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and even even beef cattle, and
that's really and to find a farm

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that did not have a single bag
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with the young calves, and we
posted some of those on our social media,

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there was no milk replacer. Moms
have been fed to the point on

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good natural stuff. If that raw
moult that we're getting has the nutrients in

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it, that's going to help us
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Absolutely, It's an important observation.
How do we know? You've got to

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investigate you got it did either either
directly as you're suggesting with the farmers,

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or find a trusted reseller like yourself. You're you're putting your reputation on the

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line by saying I've made the right
choices and you can and I pledge that

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I'm going to do everything I can
to get you the right kind of food

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right exactly. And you know,
of course, you know, with this

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comes of you know, a greater
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to because of the crazy weather we've
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the pastors weren't quite as good as
they were supposed to be. The cover

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crops weren't ready when exactly we needed
it, So we're having to you know,

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buy some food which is generally not
you know, a non GMO organic

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alfalfa. The price of that went
up actually quadrupled in the last year.

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And it's uh. In fact,
I just got something from one of my

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clients that, uh, one of
the farm reports that a lot of the

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farmers that were raising corn are switching
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because they can make more money.
That stupid, no, you know,

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but of course they lose their subsidies
at the same time. That's part of

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the problem, you know, on
the corn right. I wouldn't have thought

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of that right away. Yeah,
And of course it's upsets the fertilizer salesman

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and the inseycticized salesman. Look at
the chemical companies basically, well, and

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that's that's the point that Gave Broell
makes in his book, is he has

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no chemicals at all. Yeah.
No, and and he's able to to

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inspire other farmers by his success and
some more and more farmers. I mean,

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the catchphrase now is regenerative farming.
It's just it's good old fashioned farming,

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is what it is. Yeah,
exactly, that's what it is.

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That's basically what it was for the
most part when I you know, when

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I started, because we didn't have
the big machinery. You know, the

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mechanization is what really destroyed American agriculture
because you know, you're spending half a

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million dollars on the combine. You
have to plant the crop that you can

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use it on and you can make
money on. You know, you can't

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make it, you know cutting.
Hey, you got to pay that note

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every month, right exactly. Yeah, and you have to you know,

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normally with that size equipment, you
have to convince your neighbors to do the

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same so you can provide them with
the service to help make that payment.

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Yeah, and that that's why you
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acres of corn and not another plant, you know, in existence. Exactly.

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That kind of mount hop is just
what's killed farming in many places of

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the world. It's just yeah,
it just destroys the diversity of the microbiome.

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Yeah, exactly. But kind of
getting back to some of this other

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stuff we were talking about the different
types of food. Now, obviously we

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try to talk a little bit about
the herb of words, that they have

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to get their minerals directly from the
plant material, which is coming directly from

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the soil. Of course, now
when we're looking at the carnivores or even

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us as a earth as an omnivore. We we're going to get some of

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it from the from the plant material
that we're eating. But on the other

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side of it, all the meat
products, all the animal based products,

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they have to get it by eating
that. The animals that fed on that

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good, high quality you know,
forage and that sort of thing, and

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have done the conversion for us,
you know, taking that you know,

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the for instance, the omega threes
and converting it from a A la process

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to you know, the good depa
that we need for healing their bodies,

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you o mega. You know,
it's going from omega six to omega threes

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and nine, you know, so
that our body doesn't have to work that

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high. And of course when we
try to do that, and especially when

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we look at a vegan diet like
that, to do that conversion, that's

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going to use a lot of the
minerals, and of course the minerals are

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being used by the hormones which are
connected to the enzymes. We're actually creating

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sometimes deficiencies that way, aren't well. Yeah, the part that a lot

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of people who choose a vegetarian or
vegan lifestyle. I'm not trying to get

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into religious words here. It's just
it's a biological fact that we our body

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is designed to have access, especially
to the animal fats that are so important.

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But also I think we benefit from
those animal proteins. The purine protein

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is very different than something that's coming
out of a vegetable, and there especially,

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I mean, I'm a type of
If I don't have furine protein,

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I'm not a happy guy. I
need I need that a source of protein.

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I need that source of fat,
and the chemistry in our body recognizes

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and knows what to do with it. I would say one of the most

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challenged clients I ever had was the
She was an adult vegan born to two

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lifelong vegans, and she was a
hurt and cowboy, and she just didn't

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she had she had a real iron
problem. Though. Yeah, she didn't

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have she didn't have the animal fat, she didn't have the retinal to make

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the copper bioavailable, and then the
bioavailable copper is what regulates iron in the

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body to make it usable and functional. So the two words that I absolutely

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despise in medicine and nutrition are high
and low because that those polarizing words.

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Nothing. Let's talk about what's by
available, what's usable, what is catalytic,

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what's actually enabling us to get the
work done inside our body in order

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to sustain our pathways. And this
idea of high and low like oh,

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dry dog food is copper toxic,
which implies it has too much copper.

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Well, let's ask one question,
why what form? Let's ask another question,

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what form are you using? And
where are these other components of the

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cycle that they're not even talking about. So I think people need to realize

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that the body, there's wisdom in
our body. It knows how to keep

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itself in balance. It just has
to have the right nutrients from reliable sources.

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And that takes time and discernment to
make sure that you're getting those quality

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sources of food. And that's again
we're going back to do you have a

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relationship with a farmer or do you
have a relationship with a reseller who has

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the relationships with the farmer. Yeah, it's you know, with within a

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minute here at the next break,
but you know, you mentioned you know,

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magnesium factor is a big part of
that as well. And of course

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we you know, when we look
at it on the other side, when

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we're looking at magnesium, you also
have to be looking at the at the

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ratios and the relationships with calcium and
manganese and and you know, you know

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vie, I mean uh D and
K two and this whole plethora that all

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have to work together, because if
you start completing one or imbalancing one or

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disregulating one, we're just gonna have
one crazy mess. And let's talk about

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from this quick break. Okay, does

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Robbins on the pet Health Cafe.
Here we there's a question that just popped

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up as we came back on.
How does copper help catch the same way

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it helps all other animals, isn't
it? Yeah, you can't make energy

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without copper. You can't clear oxidative
stress or exhaust as I call it.

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Without copper. You can't communicate within
the the metabolic pathways. There's a critical

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enzyme that needs to express called pam
him enzyme that's copper dependent. All the

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connective tissue in humans forty of our
tissue is connective tissue. What's all that

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thegether by one enzyme that's copper dependent. I mean, it just goes on

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and on, all these different really
known hiitting factors that enable life to work

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properly. The immune system, oh
my gosh, the immune system in an

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animal is very dependent on copper.
But again it's been marginalized and demonized over

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the last century to the point where
it's it's really laughable. At this point,

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It's like it is so central to
life especially animal life as you as

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you indicate, and people don't know
that, they don't realize its importance.

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Well, you know the important part
two, when we're looking at our animals,

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whether there are our pets and our
companion animals or even farm animals,

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they don't speak English or any other
language other than their own, and they

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can't communicate very readily with us.
You know, they do obviously if we're

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watching their you know, uh,
their you know, their their body,

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their behaviors and things of that nature. But still it's a challenge to try

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to, you know, pick and
choose. And as we went out of

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the break, we were talking a
little bit about bringing in the other elements,

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the magnesium, and then of course
the ratio is with the calcium and

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all of that. And when you
start adding, especially in these commercial foods,

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you start adding in extra copper or
extra magnesium, or extra zinc or

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iron like you mentioned with you know, the baby formulas and things of that

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nature. Number one, of course, that's going to throw something else off

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because it's no longer in balance,
and you don't know how it was,

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how these supplements were processed, or
you may have a plethora of other chemical

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components that are that are bound to
these that could also do something that you

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talk extensively about in your book,
and it stresses the body and stresses one

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of the one of the key problems
isn't it absolutely does. And the minerals

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are they're really riding on sea sauce, and so there's a sea stall for

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magnesium and calcium, there's a sea
salt for copper and iron, there's a

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sea salt for vitamin A and D
and so on and so forth. And

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if those sea saws get skewed,
there's a compound effect that it takes place

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inside the body. So they're all
they're all interlocking free sauce, and within

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the root cause protocol, we just
focus on a very finite number of those

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sea sauce because we figure these of
the critical futh especially around the magnesium and

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the copper and the iron, and
they are sort of, if you will,

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at the top of the pecking order, and if these at the very

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top are in balance, it's going
to ease the streath and the dynamic in

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the subsequent layers of minerals. Not
really critical to be anative to in terms

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of what what kind of foods are
your pets seating and what's the sourcing of

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those foods. Have they been properly
and thoughtfully balanced in their formulation? Yeah?

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Again, you know, we get
you know, if you have other

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questions, go ahead and submit them. But you know you mentioned your root

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cause protocol. I don't think most
people are familiar, you know, at

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least that because I'm dealing on the
pet side, they're not familiar with what

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that involves. Can you give a
little bit of a breakdown on that,

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Because and reading a book and looking
at some of your stuff on your website

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neturally, I've become more and more
intrigued, to be honest. Yeah,

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No, it's it's something that as
I got into this work and really was

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trying to identify why is everyone so
sick? I began I really started the

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journey focusing on magnesium loss and we're
trying to figure out why that was such

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a prevalent part of our lifestyle.
And then realized that it was iron excess

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iron in the tissue causing the magnesium
loss. And what people don't realize that

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if if iron is low in the
blood test, it means it's high in

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the tissue. Well, if it's
high in the tissue it's going to do

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a lot of damage. It's a
very reactive element. It's the master prooxidant

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on the planet. Well, what
does that mean. It likes to rust

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things, It's really good at rusting
things. And so I began to realize

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that dynamic between magnesium and iron,
and then backed into it's what's copper that

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regulates iron, and so when people
are worried about their magnesium loss, what

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they need to do is solve the
copper problem. And most people don't realize

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how little copper they have in their
life, and so solve the copper problem

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to regulate the iron to prevent the
magnesium loss. And so as I got

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into the research around that, I
began to realize whether it's some things we've

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got to stop eating, stop supplementing
with, and the things we've got to

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start eating and start supplementing with.
And that's what really created the Root Cause

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protocol was getting people to stop doing
a lot of the conventional recommendations like well,

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take calcium, take iron, take
a scorbic acid, take vitamin ded,

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take zinc. These are really you
talk about disrupting the balance and the

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body. And as people come off
of those and then they begin to do

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the starts, and there's three phases
of starts, and it's all laid out

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in the book, but it's also
on our website RCP one two, three

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dot org. As you get into
the phases, people just find how much

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better they feel. And I was
talking with a doctor today. She's in

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Texas and she's transformed her practice around
the root Cross protocol, but she's been

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spooked more recently by a lot of
the buzz around fish oils and proofas poly

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on Saturday fatty acids. So one
of the cornerstones of the RCP is codle

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of oil. Well, she stopped
giving codliver oil to her clients and I

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said, what have you noticed?
And she said, well, you know,

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we're getting a lot more complaints about
constipation, a lot more complaints about

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sleeplessness. And she said, and
the digestion isn't right. And I said,

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well, what is that telling you? She said, well, coddle

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of oil must be really really important. I said, that's right. And

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so the magic around proof us proofers
are like gasoline. You probably have gasoline

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in your car, right, Do
you worry about the gasoline in your car?

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No? Because you don't play with
matches, do you, And it

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turns out that iron is the match
to cause proofers to be so destructive.

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Well you you would not strike a
match in the presence of a gallon of

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gasoline. Well, don't, don't
worry about the proofs if you're focusing on

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regulating the iron, and that's really
what the focus of the RCP is.

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Yeah, you saw there was a
question up there. I don't know if

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you saw it or not. But
the magnesium, Yeah, and taking it

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again that same thing is if you're
just taking that one thing, it's not

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you're causing more dysregulation, aren't you. Yeah. Whether I think what's what

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might be missing is the testing side, maybe a hair test and a blood

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tests to find out what else might
be going on in the body. These

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are very stressful times, as you
well know them. And when we're under

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stress, we're burning through minerals very
quickly. In acute stress, we're going

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to burn through magnesium. In chronic
stress, we're going to lock up our

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copper. But those are the two
minerals we need in order to make energy.

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Why is energy important? Because that's
how we get out of stress.

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We gotta we've gotta remove the stress
We've got to deal with the stress,

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and it takes energy to do that. And so if someone has been taking

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magnesium for a number of years,
I have to question the form. It's

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magnesium citrate that might be part of
the problem. There really are fully four

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different types of magnesium. You've got
magnesium in water, You've got magnesium in

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plants. Anything in the screen is
going to have meese in it. You've

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got transdermal magnesium EPs and salt or
magnesum chloride oil, right, and then

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the fourth kind would be supplemental magnesium. You're about twenty five different forms of

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subplemental magnesium, so you want to
stay away from magnesum oxide, magnese and

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citri are very problematic because they're not
bioavailable. And so what I've learned over

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the years is that the magnesium now
ate the magnesium licinate probably the two most

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bioavailable. A lot of people like
the magnesium three helps calm them down,

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helps them sleep. I don't know
that that form of magnesium is any better

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than others, but it has cachet
in the marketplace, and so people find

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that that really helps them. I
think it's called neuromag or has a variety

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of memes, but there are a
lot of different forms, but there are

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only a few that really have been
back and have higher bioavailability, and the

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mallet and the glacier are probably the
two most popular. A quick question here

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before we were almost at the end
of the program here, should you cook

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with cod liver oil? Great question. I've never never even thought about it.

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I don't know. I'm gonna have
to look into that next time we

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talk. I'll let you out because
I've never I've never even thought of it

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as a cooking one, right,
okay now? And also a mineral test

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thing. I mean, we do
hair mineral tests on our website at mypaleopet

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dot com. Morley, how can
people reach you? We're at the end

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00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:40.840
of the show here, I don't
know where that hour at. I know

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my website r c P one two
three dot org, social media, make

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00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:55.119
me some an advocacy group, the
RCP page on Facebook for the press.

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Precious few that want to reach out
to me directly on my website or my

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excuse. My email is Marthy Robbins
a Gmail and if you want to call

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eight four seven nine two eight zero
six yoe. And the best, most

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entertaining part of my day, Bill
is what people call me an I answer

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and then they go poxic. Well, really, it doesn't expect you to

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answer. Listen, you know that. I know again, it's always a

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pleasure to have you on. Let's
plan another one maybe for next month.

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And is that being said? Thank
you everyone for watching and sharing it with

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all your friends and neighbors, and
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