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Any health related information on the following show provides general
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information only. Content presented on any show by any host
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or guests should not be substituted for a doctor's advice.
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Always consult your physician before beginning any new diet, exercise,
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or treatment program. And now it's time for Pet Health
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Cafe where your Pet has a Voice.
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And here's your host, Bill the Pet Health Guru, and.
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Welcome to Pet Health Cafe, the show where your Pet
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has a Voice. This is Bill the Pet Health Guru.
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And we've got another Lamb Dunk show for you again tonight.
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Again, as always, I want you to share this, you know,
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get on that computer of yours and start sharing the
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information as we're speaking right now, so that everybody can
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tune in, like it and subscribe so you don't miss
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these episodes. And of course a chat room is open.
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I want to see your comments and see that you're
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out there, even if you just wave high, that would
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be great. And I got a great show tonight because
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it's something that's been coming up. Actually, we've been battling
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it for many many probably a decade on this show,
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if not more. But we want to talk a little
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bit about suppression of information and misinformation, misdiagnosis and censorship.
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And with that, I want to bring on my special guests,
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doctor Michael dimm who knows well about this as well.
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How you doing, Doc?
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How are you doing tonight? Bill? Very good? Thank you?
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Yah. Just you know, tough topic. I mean, we deal
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with it every day. It's crazy, isn't it.
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Yeah, we do.
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I mean, you know, if it's not censorship or or
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you know, or like you said, suppression, Uh, it's bastardization,
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you know, of our viewpoints often and uh, you know,
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certainly in my community of the Venary community, we deal
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with kind of isolation of colleagues and uh, you know,
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kind of a you know, a war amongst you know, veterinarians.
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But you know, often the suppress especially the information that
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you and I try to bring out to people on
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a on a daily basis, to our clients, you know.
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On your on your side of the of the profession. Again,
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I know you and I joke around a lot. I'm
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glad I don't have the initials after my name because
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I can get by with saying a lot of things
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that you can't really. But it's it's, you know, one
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of the things that I kind of look at and
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really have to wonder about is most pet owners. Of course,
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they start out, they get their little pets for balls,
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whether it's a puppy or kitten rescue, and of course
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immediately have to run to the allopathic vet because we're
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told to and you know, we're not even given a
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battle plan as to.
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What we should be doing.
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We're basically told that you have to do this, this, this,
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you know, these preventative medications, whether they're you know, injectables,
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oral topicals, all these different things, and then you have
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to come back and back and back, and we're going
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to do these blood tests and all this other testing.
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First day that you go in there, you really don't
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even have a battle plan. And then so many of
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our pet parents, when the bills start to get up
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there quite quite high, and the animal does not seem
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to be thriving or happy or that sort of thing,
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then they're out there trying to seek a different kind
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of veterinarian, one like yourself that's got a holistic mind
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and looks at it completely different and actually gives it
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to them. Why is there such a disconnect on that
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lopathic side.
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Well, it's basically Bill. It's it's kind of like we've
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talked about, it's a brainwashing that occurs when we're in
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medical school and then it continues in our continuing education
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when we get out of school. That basically that you know,
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wellness preventative wellness care has to be a cookbook. In
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other words, this is how you stay healthy by you know,
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a cookbook using external agents or poor quality diets as
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the key to what we're told, what we're taught in
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school and what we tell our clients is to good health.
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So if you don't get this these particular injectibles, if
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you don't use the warmings and the you know, the pesticides,
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you don't feed these dead processed foods, then you know
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your animals are going to be healthy. And it's the opposite,
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as we both know. So you know, it's it's our
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training in school that not to be healthier, but just
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to treat the sick. And actually, in my opinion on
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yours as well, is you know, create sickness, create customers,
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you know, create uh, you know, people that are be
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coming back over and over again for the same problems,
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and then eventually it gets deeper and deeper, and then
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that pads, the pockets. You know, maybe it'd be good
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to go into tonight. You know what's happened to the
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veterinary profession in terms of ownership of the venory clinics
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and how it's all you know, turned into a finance,
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corporate driven marketplace. You know, it's it's it's getting worse
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and worse, and our animals are getting unhealthier and unhealthier
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with that approach.
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Yeah, it's so true, and it's really really you know, tough.
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But on the other side of it, it really isn't.
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I mean, people like myself, I've been out there. I
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mean I've been in the industry for over fifty five years.
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I've been preaching this stuff. I've been to the VET
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conferences with products and concepts dating back to the nineteen eighties.
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You know, you've been around, you know, doing your magic
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for forever as well. And yet in the community itself,
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in that in that allopathic community, we're just kind of
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brushed aside. We're you know, the algorithms on YouTube and
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Spotify and iHeartRadio and a lot of these other venues
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keep us from getting our message out. And it's that's
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not by chance. I don't believe.
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No, it's not.
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And you know you we and I have spoken very much.
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You've been you know, censored from various platforms and not
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allowed to speak you know, your viewpoints on certain issues
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and even using certain words that get you shut off
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and shut down and then uh, then we can't put
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it present a message at all. So yes, absolutely it's uh.
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And you know in my profession it's it's done by
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the colleagues. And there are various organizations and political groups
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you know where they look at holistic veterinarians as you know,
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actually an aberration. And you know it's it's okay to
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use that stuff if you're not sick, but no, if
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you have illness, sickness, disease, you must you know, use
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drug A, drug B, drug C. You know you you
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can't use foods to heal, you can only use them
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to band aid symptoms. You know, some of the commercial
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pet foods that have been developed for so many different conditions.
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And so you know, there really is, you know, a
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big movement out there to squash you know what you
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and I have to say.
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You know, I monitor you know a number of different
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chat groups that sort ofly on social media. I know
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you do too, because we kind of get involved in
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some of the same things. And even within some of
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the suppression and sometimes condemnation is actually coming from the
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consumers that just do not want to believe anything but
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a white code.
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Isn't that true?
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all the time. It's you know, you get people that
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are you know, indoctrinated by that white code, and you know,
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hold what they say is gospel, and you know that
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that there's no other absolute truth. But what comes out
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of their mouths. You know, they did their training, they
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did this, they did that, but you know, there's there's
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so much more to health, and you know, it's very frustrating,
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like you said, when you participate with some of these
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groups and we try and you know bring up or
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or you know, present other ways of addressing issues, and
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there's a lot of resistance and anger and fear that
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come into play.
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You know, it's interesting.
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You know, we we discussed a little bit over the weekend,
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chatted back and forth about a mutual client that we
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have that the animal was an obvious victim of some
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sort of toxicity poisoning very very acute young golden retriever
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crashed and was given oh was it five to seven
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days to live and supposedly by a seed of a
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sago palm. A single seed I didn't know could actually
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do that much damage. And you know, I talked to
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clients all the time that their dogs get into them
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all the time. I think it was probably a probably
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a kill animal that in a property because it is
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a rural area, right, you know, poison, possibly poisoned with
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rat poison or who knows what dropped by a hawker owl.
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I had a client in today that Chris doggy. He
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took it over to the playground. That dog's running around
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and everything else. Next thing you know, he's got this
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white thing in his mouth and it happens to be
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a basically a hand wipe, which we know those are
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coated with all kinds of anti fungal, antibacterial poisons. And
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of course you know, the dog immediately well immediately, but
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within the twelve hour period came down with diarrhea and
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of course good dose of slippery elm and it was gone.
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But this other client in talking with him, he was
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so obsessed with what mainstream allopathic medicine was saying in
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the test results, test results test results.
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I had a couple others come in this weekend with
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similar type of situations and they're looking at this and
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they're looking at all the red on the paper. But
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when you start looking at the red, you know, identified
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highs and lows and all of that sort of thing,
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you notice that there may be one point off, two
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points off. It's not without you know, as well, within
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the margin of error.
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And yet they're in complete panic. And in this.
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Particular client, as you know, I said, quit looking at
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the paper, what's your dog doing? And he was talking
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about you giving another homeopathic remedy that pick the dog's
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energy up, and he says, I don't want to give
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it to him because the Doug is all but running
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on the ceiling right now. You have to believe what
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you see. And when I went through, I said, so
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you let me get this straight. The dog that you
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contacted me about in December, that was given five to
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seven days to live is now almost running on the ceiling, happy,
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healthy and use.
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Stealing panic mode. Right, look at the animal, don't look
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at the paper right right?
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Well, I mean he goes back to what you were saying.
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Also is is that you know, there's an indoctrination of
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certain clients that kind of have their feet in both worlds.
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They still want to stay. They want to do it
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the what we're preaching and whether it's homeopathy or you know,
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food herbs and botanicals and fresh fruit diets. But then
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they go back to what's familiar, and then they go
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into that model and they'll see a veterinarian that will
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run the life tests and say, look, your animal is this,
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and you know, look, you know, sensible medicine one O
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one you know says that the lab tests are not
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meant to be gospel. They're meant to back up what
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we see clinically in our patients, in other words, how
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they feel, what symptoms they have. And so to try
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to use it the opposite and saying, okay, you don't
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fit your lab tests. I mean your lab tests say
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you're sick. That's hardly you know, hardly a holistic approach
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to health. And so you know, I try to discourage
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this particular client from getting the repetitive tests over and
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over again, and but you know, he just is insistent
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on it.
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And I on it.
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You know, I have to acknowledge his feelings as do you,
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and but you know he is in a panic mode.
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And that's and.
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Then the veterinary, the allopathic veterinarians actually you know, thrive
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and I'd say, see what are you doing? You know,
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you're having an animal on this and that, and you're
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spending all this money on foods and herbs. And then
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they go ahead and prescribe you know, synthetic supplements or
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you know, processed vitamins that are manufactured in a lab,
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and you know, for whether it be to raise their
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iron levels or lower the cholesterol. I mean, it's just
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you know, instead of just looking at the patient, like
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you said, a happy puppy that's running around, that's growing,
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that's gaining weight, that's eating. That's what the definition of
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health is, not what a lab tests.
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It's exactly true. And I mean I hit another one.
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Of course, then the same that came in on Saturday,
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an old time customer, but fell into that panic mode
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when a dog just wasn't doing well, went off its food,
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that sort of thing. And if it weren't for so
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called pet insurance, they would have been struck down with
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literally tens of thousands of dollars.