July 25, 2024

The Truth About Pet Spay and Neuter (Not Fixed)

The Truth About Pet Spay and Neuter (Not Fixed)

Recent studies have revealed the "Dark Side" of "fixing" our pets. This is a very unhealthy veterinary procedure that create a fire-storm of challenges for most pets. Health and behavior are seriously affected and should be decided by the pet parent....

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Recent studies have revealed the "Dark Side" of "fixing" our pets. This is a very unhealthy veterinary procedure that create a fire-storm of challenges for most pets. Health and behavior are seriously affected and should be decided by the pet parent. Learn the truth here and the alternatives that are available.

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Any health related information on the following show provides general

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information only. Content presented on any show by any host

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or guests should not be substituted for a doctor's advice.

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Always consult your physician before beginning any new diet, exercise,

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or treatment program. And then now it's time for Pet

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Health Cafe, where your Pet has a Voice.

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And here's your host, Bill the Pet Health Guru, and

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welcome to Pet Health Cafe to show where your pets

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a voice. This is Bill, your Pet Health Guru, along

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with my special guest host doctor and Michael dem How

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are we doing, Doc.

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We're doing really well. Bill. How about yourself?

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Good?

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Good?

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Busy week again? They actually are all busy weeks. I

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mean that, I don't know whether it's that we're having

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an impact and and people are starting to finally wake

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up about you know, real health and uh nutrition and

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you know, doing things more holistically and homeopathically, or you know,

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they're just all going crazy. But we're seeing an influx

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of people that that want good stuff and want health

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instead of medicine. And you know, the cry out there

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is like what can we do ourselves? What can we

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do this natural? What can we do that's not medicine,

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and I'm sure you're starting to run into that with

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more and more pet owners as well.

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Absolutely, yes, yeah, it's it.

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It's uh, you know, it's it's an amazing type thing

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that that this is going on. I know, we've got

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a really exciting topic again tonight. You know, not that

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we've ever mentioned spader neuter or sureization or anything like

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that in the past, but I wanted to take a

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little bit different look at it tonight than what we

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have because there's been a bunch of new stuff coming out.

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I don't even know if you're from if you've seen

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some of the things coming out or not. But in

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one one of the so called celebrity vets published something

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and this was basically the headline, don't know if we

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can read that or not. Well, let's see, don't strutalize

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your dog without knowing this, and it starts to talk

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about not doing conventional spe and newter. Now I didn't

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know there was such a thing, did you, except yeah, yeah,

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except that we've been pushing it for how long? Absolutely

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a long time. It's been a long long time. And

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you know, I mean I've had people come in, I've

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had other people in the veterinarian trade comment like we're

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not taught how to do anything, but which is really

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a shame. I mean, you know, you know, you know,

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I can't get into why the Whyser house because I mean,

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we know, you know, the state boards and you know,

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the powers that be are looking at the bottom line primarily.

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And you know this is you know conventional spain neuters

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or money makers, aren't they?

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Yeah, read and butter practices along with you know, yearly

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vaccines and you know the fleet ticking hartware medications, the

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prescription diets. All those things are the cornerstone of preventive

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traditional medicine, of course, and space and neuters are being recommended,

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you know, for forever as long as I was, I've

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been a bit of Mariana even before.

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Yeah. Now, one of the interesting things, and we'll get

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into the story. I got a lot of information that

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through out there. But one of the questions that happened

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to pop in my mind when I was preparing for

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this is, you know, one of the challenges you and

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I both face is with the new dog owner or

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the animal that's just been adopted, that sort of saying

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the new and with a perspective pet guardians have no

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saying over this. It's done automatically into rescues, isn't it.

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Yeah, yeah, I mean animals come into those rescues and

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you know, often at six eight weeks of age, they're

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being spade or neutered, and of course given all those

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other chemicals, drugs, shots, and you know, tremendous stress on

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the developing immune system.

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You know, right at a time when you know you

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want to be as aware.

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Of holistic health as possible, and you know a lot

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of times these interventions, including the removal of the sex hormones,

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can lead to all sorts of chronic issues down the road.

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Even if you know clients adopt these animals and put

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them on a species of appropriate diet.

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I mean the groundwork has been set up by that

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healthcare model, which you know, I always tell people is

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a is a wonderful You know, their their hearts are

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in the right place. And these rescue shelter organizations, you know,

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they want to get animals adopted out. You know, there's

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a lot of you know, homeless animals that are out

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there and you know, so their hearts are in the

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right place, but it's more of a herd health mentality

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and in other words, it's not really looking at the

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health of the individual animal. And so when you look

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at these early space and neuters, you know, it's really

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causing a lot of problems you know, down the road.

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Well, I mean, I know that you've you've done some

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work with with various rescues, and that's RESINI in the past.

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And one of the questions IP up to them in

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mind is when it comes to the income that you

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know a rescue has to have, and you know it's

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not really by law, but it's just highly suggested, if

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you will, that they have a veteran, regular veterinarian it's

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on staff for on call, or that they have a

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great relationship with. And so isn't that the spay and

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neuter part of that where then those rescue veterinarians make

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probably the bulk of their.

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Money, absolutely sure. You know, the spay neuter is the

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cornerstone a surgical procedure that certainly, uh again, the bread

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and butter of those type of operations, you know. So yeah, yeah,

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I agree, And you.

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Know, I mean my view and I've gotten kind of

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beat up because I did this a few years back.

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I actually did interviews with about half a dozen or

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more rescues in an event I was at, and I said,

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isn't the job really of a rescue to take an

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animal from a bad place and just make sure that

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it's healthy, that it's doing well, and move it to

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a good place, and not be involved in all this secondary, secondary,

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so called health issues, which in many cases there is

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no health issue to start with. You know, an animal's

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got fleas. I mean, you do a flea bath, you

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do you can do a dip, you can do a

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number of different things when fleas are gone. You shouldn't

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be in the business of medicating, should you.

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No?

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I agree, I mean I think one of the biggest

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impetuses is, of course to get all these things done

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from a conventional model of medicine, because so makes them

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more attractive to be adopted or rescued out is okay,

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they've had their spay and neuter, they've been given all

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the shots, they've been started on. You know, these combination

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flee ticking, hardware and medications which are either oral or topical.

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So it's a.

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Big carrot for people to see, Oh I don't have

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to do any of these things. I don't have to

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incur after I adopt, I don't have to incur all

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these expenses because it's been taken care of her ready,

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So you know, that's another impetus why they do all that.

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The interesting thing is, though, and I did a thing

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on economics that don't previous show uneconomics of why does

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our animals cost so much? Essentially, those those things that

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the rest you did for the welfare of the animal itself,

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they didn't have to do any of it, did they?

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No, not at all, I agree.

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You know, And wouldn't it make you know, I know

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a lot of that A lot of the animals, a lot,

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especially a lot of dogs, not so much with kittens

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and cats, but primarily with dogs. A large portion of

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the dogs that are ending up in these shelters and

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in these rescues are there because the owners cannot afford

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the medical care because they haven't budgeted for starting out

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with a diet obviously, or the actual care itself. And

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all of a sudden you get slapped with a thousand,

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two thousand dollars that bill, and you know, I can't

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afford it. I can't afford to keep this going on,

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and they want me on this all these you know,

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all these drugs and remedies and preventatives and protocols, you know,

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for the rest of their life. I just can't afford

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a thousand, two thousand and three thousand dollars a year

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extra above and beyond the cost of food, right, and

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you know, they end up giving them up. And you know,

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these unfortunately, these animals, you know, deserve a better chance,

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if you will, exactly. But again to focus in on

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the spay and neuter part of it, as you mentioned

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in the beginning, that this has been a major cornerstone

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and of course the rescue business and in the veterinary

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practices since before you even started. And yet I guess

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as a question, has this really made that much bigger

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of an impact on a number of animals that are

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in the shell through because I'm seeing numbers that they're

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increasing every month every year. You know, they never seem

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to decrease, and yet we're trying to control the population

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to it. Did something seemed wrong there?

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Yeah? I agree, It just seems like a never ending battle.

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And like you said, there are numbers of those animals

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seem to be increasing, you know, and you know, there's

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all these efforts made to rescue animals in you know,

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poor countries or regions devastated by.

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Storms or hurricanes, and you know.

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It seems like there's never there's always an endless supply

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of more and more, you know, rescue animals that need homes.

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And as I said, it's a wonderful you know, wonderful

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their their goals.

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And their purpose is you know, is very noble.

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Although I will be honest with you and you probably

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can comment on it too, you know, getting involved with

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some of these rescues over the years, there's a lot

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of politics and reed and ego that goes into them,

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and uh it's not always uh you know, so while

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they're on the surface their mission is very noble, sometimes

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there's you know, like you know, a lot of aspects

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of our lives, you know, ego and control issues come

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in and you know, so I've definitely seen that in

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the in the rescue world as well.

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Yeah, I mean I've seen that where I mean, you know,

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I mean some of these people that that are that

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start to rescue and that sort of thing. Basically they're

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creating a job for themselves and instead of paid employees,

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they're you know, they're using volunteers. And how much of

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you know again, when I look at it, if the

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bulk of the money is going to the veterinarian for

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these bay and neuters and all these drugs and and

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you know that ejection type thing, what's the benefit of

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the animal?

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Yeah, yeah, exactly Like I said, it's just a it's

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it's done for there really is. And you know a

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lot of health benefit. We're putting animals through all these

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stresses at the same time. But you know, I'm sure

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we'll get into you know, the health related aspects of

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spaying and neutering.

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But you know, they again it's it's they want to

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control a pet population.

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You know, they want to That's the old adage of

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the you know, the ASPCA, you know, the the late

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Bob Barker used to say, at the end of the

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price is right, don't forget to get your pet spade

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or neutered, kind of like a battle cry of people

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in that, you know, in that realm of of work

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or attention.

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And you know, it's uh, you know.

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It's it's not really what's right for that individual animal.

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And you know, as I said, and then you know,

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just to.

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Throw it in there with the vaccines, you know, the

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animals come in there and instead of doing let's say,

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which are now available, like rapid tighter tests, which can

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show that these animals have immunity if either natural exposure

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or prior vaccinations, that they'll they just go ahead and

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give them shots instead of checking their tighter levels. And

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so you know, that's something else that's very disturbing in

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shelter rescue medicine right now.

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To get into this what we're seeing more and more of,

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of course, you know, I want to talk a little

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bit as we move along into some of the unconventional

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ways that you can control overpopulation and the serialization and

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that sort of thing. But what does article claiming this?

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This came out of a twenty twenty three study, so

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this is up to date stuff, not the old Center

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for Veterinarian Medicine comments that I used to give all

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the time that you know, it cuts their lifespan in half.

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It's but it's a first of a kind study involving

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over six thousand dog owners that reveal that spade and

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neutered dogs develop more health and behavioral problem than intec

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dogs and dogs that are underwent alternative serialization processes. You know,

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you and I have discussed that at great lengths and

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now here it is there is you know, at least

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have study this, butN been done that shows that this

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affects the overall health of the animal. And an overall

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health issue has a lot of bearing on the behaviors.

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And you know that. You know the dogs are harder

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to train, harder, the house break, you know, all the

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aggressions anxieties that just because we removed a couple of

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unimportant parts of your will. It's like you know, and

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and when we're looking at having a pet, we don't

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want to pet with behavior problems or health issues, do.

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And as I when I give my lectures an apocrity,

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I always talk about when you remove the.

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Sex hormones, just like a unit.

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You know, with people, when sex hormone levels go down,

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you know whether it's a male or female that affects globally,

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you know the health of that individual person. And the

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same is true with our animals. Because the endocrine system,

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of the hormonal systems of the body are all interconnected.

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They're all interrelated. They function as a holistic, a holistic unit,

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so they don't function in isolated parts.

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Remove those sex hormones, you affect you know, brain structures

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like the pituitary gland and other structures in the brain

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that are involved with behavior. You affect, the adrenal glands,

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the thyroid, the endocrine system, the pancreas.

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You know, you.

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Affect you know, so yanking those sex hormones, at those hormones,

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they're all you know, they all affect one another.

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Well, one of the things that you know, and I

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mean this is my own curiosity and my own obvious

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point of view, but these hormones are not tied specifically

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to just this to sex. It's they're involved in a

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lot of other processes throughout the whole body, and by

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labeling them as a sex hormone or as a sex

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organ is a complete misnomer, isn't it.

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That's hormones not only inter relate with other hormone systems,

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but they have multiple effects in the body, not just

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you know, the typical male or female typical behaviors. So

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they have global effects on the individual. So removing them

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and rendering them basically non present in the body at

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least the whole sorts of health issues.

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Absolutely well, you know, I mean, you know again we

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come down and you know what, we've done parts of

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several shows about this too, about the way the language

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has been basically hijacked, and you know, since not been

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thinking about what we what most people perceive of spay

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and neuter is basically we are fixing our animal to

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prevent reproduction without any you know, first off, they weren't broken,

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so how can you fix that?

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Right?

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And secondly, it's not just about the set you know

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as you as we relate sex hormones, it's about hormones

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in general, right that we are basically being and basically

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that procedure is probably one of the ultimate endocrine disruptors,

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probably behind gm O horn.

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Yeah, yeah, very true, Bill. And so you know when

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I mentioned all those indocrine systems, you know, there's diseases

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of those organs that are significantly increased in the surgically

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sterilized animal. You know, from you know again, hypoth iroidism,

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uh you know, uh, diabetes, a dreamal problems like Cushing's

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disease and the dog. You know, there's all these pathologies

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that are significantly increased in the you know, in the

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spade or neuded animal.

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And it's you know, it really makes very little sense

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that And again, this is what got me in trouble

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when I did a series of interviews with a bunch

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of rescues, is if you're going to be real, you know,

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one of the main reasons I was told that rescues

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have to do all these things is because the owners

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are not going to be responsible enough to make sure

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that these things don't happen, the unwanted pregnancies, that they're

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not going to take care of them as far as

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flees and ticks and all this. And it's like, well,

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why are you adopting this animal to somebody that you

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know is not going to take care of them? Does

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that make any sense at all?

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No, not at all. I agree.

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So, you know, so the reasons for doing it, I

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think we're well established here has nothing really to do

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with the health of the animal. And basically Spain uter

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is actually and we got about about thirty seconds here,

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but it's actually anti health, isn't it.

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Yeah, Yeah, sure is, you know, in the ways we're

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starting to describe here, And you know, it's not really

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for the health again of the individual animal. It's more

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for again population dynamics, just like you know, herd of

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cattle or herd of sheep, where they look at the

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health of the herd as a global unit rather than

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the health of the individual.

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Animal from a holistic health wise perspective.

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Yeah, okay, when we come back, I want to talk

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a little bit about why we do this in the

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farm animals, which is totally totally different. We'll be right back.

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All right and We're back here in a pet health

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cafe to show where your pet has a voice. This

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is Build a Pet House Gurule along with my special

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guest host, doctor Michael dimm I said, I wanted to

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mention something about the farm animals. Why is it that

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we don't stay in newter all the rest of the

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domestic livestock that's out there for the most part, And

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if we do, they're only basically doing the males, aren't they.

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Yeah, I mean that's called colling ull, but right, you know,

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they do you know, the females. I think I'm not

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a farm animal expert, but you know, when those animals

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stop producing again, it's a it's an income based decision,

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but when they're not able.

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To produce adequate milk or wool.

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Or whatever or whatever it may be, then those animals

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are no longer useful. So not that they don't have

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you know, the farm people have some obviously, uh you know,

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tender affection to their animals. I'm not saying that, but

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you know, when they're no longer productive, typically they end

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up being.

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Well to one of the one of the things that

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we know, and especially in cattle, is that when you

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of course you know, uh, they castraight most of the

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bull calves, which we call steers, you know, in a

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final phase. And the reason that they do that is

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they get fat, which produces more money. Now, if I

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take that model and I look at that, and I'm

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looking at okay, I got this male dog over here.

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If I can't straight him, what's going to be is

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side effect?

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They gonna be OBEs, yes, again, also affecting other metabolic

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organ systems like the thyroid too.

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A lot of those doors become you know, hypothartpy, and

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then it affects their whole structural basis.

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In other words, when you have an intact male dog

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for an example, or you know, people can tolerate cats,

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their whole shape of their body is different. It's the

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way it evolved to be. Their structure of their bones

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and their heads and their skulls are totally different. So

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when people see an intact male animal, especially a dog,

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they're like, oh my god, they don't even recognize what

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it looks like because that's normal.

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Yeah, it's it's it's funny because I'm looking at you know,

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a listing that they put in this as well, and

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I mean, I don't know if you be able to.

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I mean, it's not a manner of being able to

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read it. But you can see they think, now, where's

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the chart. Come on, where's the chart.

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Here's the chart.

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Nah, I'm no good at doing is okay. You can

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see a whole page of things. These are all side effects,

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right okay, and including obesity right at the very top

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what I just mentioned, Okay, ligament problems. Gee, what do

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you see in ligaments that are generally a.

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Problem epidemic levels of you know, especially in dogs, of.

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Cruciate ligaments or what are known as.

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Acls, and the hormones are definitely involved with the health

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and integrity of those joints. And I do want to

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add too that people often are realizing, and I like

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to always add an additional point is that animals that

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are vaccinated, they've identified antibodies against the own the own

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ligamentous tissue of the body, and so even vaccines can

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exacerbate ACL tears because it's a it's an autoimmune disease.

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It's an immune disease, it's not a not a trauma

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or an injury. So ligament issues acls definitely the sex hormones.

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Or involved, as well as other bubbs. You know you

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you could read on of course.

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Yeah, I mean another one urinary sphinger mechanism incontinents. You

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know right up there at the top. You know that

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that ay're increased longevity.

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I mean, that's what on that note, you know.

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And I know the article is not about cats, but

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cats that are neutered or spained when they're real young,

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especially in the male cats, are much more likely to

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have urinary tract inflammation, crystals, blockages. I mean because the

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whole urinary tract hasn't developed correctly. So, uh, you know

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a lot of what we're saying applies to felines as well.

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Yeah, yeah, And I mean the reason I want to

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go through this list is because I want our listeners

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to know that, you know, when we you know, generally,

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when you're in the animal hospital, they're not going to

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tell you that this is related in any way to

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that spae or neuter or that serialization. I mean, it's

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just not even going to come up in the conversation.

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But like I said, the urinary problems overall longevity, which

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I just mentioned, hip dysplasia tied directly to it. Bonus

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lymphoma mat cells.

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Yeah, lymphoma, the number one cancer like we talked about

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last week in our animals. Yeah, you know, directly related

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to again the sex hormone deficiency. Yeah, US user coma's

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bone cancer very problematic.

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And large and giant breed.

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Dogs especially you know, any large dog, Goldens, Rottweilers, labs,

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you know, any big breed dog, giant breeds get that,

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you know, much more prone to bone cancer.

466
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:40.400
Right, transitional cell carcinoma, something we don't most people don't

467
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:40.880
even talk.

468
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:43.599
About ladder cancer absolutely, you know.

469
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:49.480
Yeah, in people, bladder cancer is often related to toxic exposure.

470
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:52.400
Like cigarette smoke has been a you know, criminating factor.

471
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:55.880
So you know, so many factors involved with these cancers, Bill,

472
00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:59.880
But when we look at these sex hormones, they definitely

473
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:02.559
you know, this is what you're reading. It's showing the

474
00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:04.200
global effects on the body.

475
00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:08.599
Yeah, the moving and of course this one ties into

476
00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:10.440
into what you were talking about with the cats, the

477
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:18.839
stiitis you know, uh, per neal hernia's memory tumors.

478
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:23.119
Yeah, and that's actually opposite to what you know, we

479
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:26.000
were taught. We were taught that if you remove the

480
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:29.960
sex hormones when they're young, you prevent breast cancer or

481
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:34.119
memory cancer in dogs or cats. And now the data

482
00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:37.759
is obviously mixed because you just read from this article

483
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:41.680
that you know, removing those sex hormones increases in some

484
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:44.359
studies the incidents of these diseases.

485
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:47.799
So yeah, but in this study this is this is

486
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:54.400
one of all. Of course the uh preussly you know,

487
00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:01.599
hyperplasia is also affected. But things that this actually prevents.

488
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:04.960
This is a good part. After Jim, you won't get

489
00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:10.480
uter in ovary in or vaginal tumors because they're.

490
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:15.240
Not there, right, Well, those tumors are very rare anyway,

491
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:18.759
so I mean they're not very common in clinical practice, right.

492
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:22.480
And of course the same thing, you know, prostate carcinoma's

493
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:24.599
I mean, you know, if you take the pipe hoarin out,

494
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:27.079
It's like I often said, you know, when I meet

495
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:29.279
with veterinarians and they keep telling me about that we

496
00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:30.839
have to do this to prevent the cancer, and I

497
00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:32.759
just tell them, I don't want you to get lung cancer,

498
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:35.279
so let's just remove your lungs and you will never

499
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:36.240
have that problem again.

500
00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:41.400
You know, that's still erroneously tell clients.

501
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:42.519
And you know, even when I.

502
00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:45.160
Was taught in school, many moons ago is that if

503
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:47.799
you don't nut to your animal, they're going to be

504
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:49.240
more prone to prostate cancer.

505
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:51.839
And actually the data of the actual opposite.

506
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:56.680
In my thirty plus years of practice, I haven't seen

507
00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:00.599
any cases of prostate cancer and intact mail doll. In fact,

508
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:04.440
they're all what I remember in in the in the

509
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:08.759
neutered actmals. To be fair, I mean, the intact male

510
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:14.480
dogs sometimes will get prostatic enlargements or cysts, you know,

511
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:17.720
that can sometimes cause symptoms, just like you know older people.

512
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:20.960
But most of those conditions can be managed with diet

513
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:24.160
and herbs and homeopathy and then the body put back

514
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:27.960
into balance because again, prostate disease has a lot more,

515
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:34.119
you know, has other factors besides sex hormone involvement, toxicity

516
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:38.160
or immune diseases. Vaccines all can play a role with

517
00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:42.319
instance of prostate disease. So but you know, I just

518
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:46.359
thought i'd mentioned there about the prostate issues sometimes occasionally.

519
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:47.960
Seen in intact male dogs.

520
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.680
Yeah, I mean it's you know, of course, when we

521
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:54.400
look when we look at it and we see all

522
00:30:54.440 --> 00:31:02.640
these problems that are actually tied to it, you know,

523
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:05.279
when we see the other problems that are coming up

524
00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:09.759
the behavioral problems, and that so many of these things

525
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:13.599
occur over time, and how many of them are blamed

526
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:15.799
on Oh, well, the animal is just getting old or old.

527
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:19.039
You know, it's an old animal at five years old,

528
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:22.319
six years old when you know, longevity wise, they should

529
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:24.480
be twenty years old before that, you know, before the

530
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:29.559
body gets to that point where toxicity and efficiently say

531
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:31.440
have built up to the point where we're going to

532
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:33.839
see a decrease. And that's really what it is, is

533
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:36.960
that build up over time. But when we make this

534
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:41.279
distress to change. And of course what we didn't mention

535
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:46.400
at all either is what's the effect of the surgery itself.

536
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:50.000
Where at the pre surgical drugs, a pre you know,

537
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:55.400
in the anesthesia, the post anthesia drugs, the antibiotics, the painkillers.

538
00:31:55.799 --> 00:32:00.680
How does with this young little animal that the developing,

539
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:03.519
what do they what do they do to that system?

540
00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:06.240
And not just the endocrine system itself, but the whole body.

541
00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:07.000
Yeah.

542
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:09.759
Actually, and then you know you bring up mental emotional issues.

543
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:12.920
You know, I was always taught that you're neutered to

544
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:14.319
male dog to calm them.

545
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:15.599
Down, you know, so to speak.

546
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:20.160
You know, and actually most fear based aggressions and anxieties

547
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:24.279
and separation anxiety and those kind of symptoms are again,

548
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:28.119
like you outlined, I mean significantly increased in the surgically

549
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:31.279
altered animal. So that decision to do it because of

550
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:34.759
calming them down often is again.

551
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:36.799
The opposite of what you know people are told.

552
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:43.680
Yeah, I mean whether the SPAE or newter a needs

553
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:48.839
to be a decision by the what's going to be

554
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:54.440
the lifetime pet parent, not by some you know, rescuing

555
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:59.400
that by some veterinarian, that's by some vettech, some advocate

556
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:04.480
group that may have a good cause, but it see

557
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:10.160
the pet guardian, that pet owner that has got to

558
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:14.519
be able to pay for and to manage all these

559
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:17.759
problems that I just outline that we see happening with

560
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:20.720
that when they had no control over it at all.

561
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:26.119
And it's really an unfair system to the animal and

562
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:28.799
to that perspective person because when you go to adopt

563
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:31.880
an animal too, they're playing on your heart. This poor

564
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:34.759
animal needs a home. You know, we just mess them

565
00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:37.160
up terribly. Can you take them home and maybe make

566
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:40.799
them feel better? Isn't that kind of part of that

567
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:43.759
sale if you will?

568
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:44.720
Yeah?

569
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:48.000
Yeah, And to mention, you know, about the you know,

570
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:49.720
again the I always want to bring on because I'm

571
00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:51.480
sure there are people watching in the audience that say,

572
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:54.720
but there are benefits to span andary. You know, obviously,

573
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:56.400
if they don't have a uterus, they're not going to

574
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:59.160
get something called a piometro which was a uterine infection

575
00:33:59.279 --> 00:33:59.720
or an abscess.

576
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:00.480
Right.

577
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:01.799
But I find in.

578
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:07.160
Animals that are raised holistically that basically that disease is

579
00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:10.159
something that I don't see in animals on species appropriate

580
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:14.280
diets and you know, minimally vaccinated and on you know,

581
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:18.679
non pesticide, you know, parasite control, and so you know

582
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:22.119
a lot of these diseases are you know, multi factorial,

583
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:25.320
and so you know, yes, you don't see an abscess

584
00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:26.079
uterus in a.

585
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:32.719
Spade, you know female. You know, a couple of other diseases, uh,

586
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:34.360
you know, testicular.

587
00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:36.760
Cancer you're not going to see in an intact but

588
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.960
again very rare, don't really spread to other airs of

589
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:45.719
the body. Again, if prostate enlargement occurs or little rectal

590
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:49.639
growth occur, again, those all can be treated with homeopathy, herbs,

591
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:53.400
and diet. And so again, none of these minor benefits,

592
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:57.760
in my opinion, are worth you know, removing those sex.

593
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:00.840
Yeah, Okay, we're gonna be right back in this quick break.

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All right, and we're back here in a Pet health Cafe.

616
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:53.119
The show where Your Pet has a Voice is to

617
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:55.559
build a Pet Health Gurule along with doctor Michael dim

618
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:57.360
and I've forgotten in the beginning of the show to

619
00:36:57.400 --> 00:36:59.119
tell people that they can, you know, go ahead, and

620
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:03.440
you know listener questions and comments in the chat room,

621
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:06.599
and of course we wanted to share this information and

622
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.960
like it and subscribe to our channel because people need

623
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:12.639
to know about this so that you can have a

624
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:17.239
health in your animal. Now, in talking about the sterilization itself,

625
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:19.760
we talked a lot about the spay and neuter and

626
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:28.000
all the problems that it can create. Why do we

627
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:32.480
not see more animals being the male animals going through

628
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:36.440
a vas ectomy or the females of tubal ligation or

629
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:40.440
something of that nature where it doesn't change the hormone level,

630
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:44.320
but yet they cannot reproduce. Why isn't this being done,

631
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:45.719
Why isn't it being promoted?

632
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:49.159
I think recently, I mean I read an article many

633
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:52.079
about a year or two ago in one of the

634
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:54.960
conventional vet journals that said that, you know.

635
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:56.000
The wave of the future.

636
00:37:56.119 --> 00:38:00.239
You know, the colleagues are now acknowledging that, you know,

637
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:04.440
preserving sexual hormones has all these health benefits. So you know,

638
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.760
there is a movement now and I think slowly and

639
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.840
at the veninary school level and young veterinarians to learn

640
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:17.840
these techniques of you know, sex clanned preserving you know, sterilization,

641
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:20.679
whether it's a vasectomy and a dog, or or just

642
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.280
removing the uterus in a you know, in a female

643
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:27.119
and a bitch. So you know, it's I think it's

644
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.599
slow to start, Bill, but it's it's it's definitely I

645
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:32.719
think the wave of the future now. A lot of

646
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:36.639
my colleagues actually, you know, big thing they now recommend

647
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:39.000
is wait till they're a year or two years of age,

648
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:41.360
when they're mature, and then do it.

649
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:42.320
Well, you'll get some.

650
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:45.039
Benefit of that, you know, in terms of the joint,

651
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:47.840
you know, the bones, allowing them to grow out.

652
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:52.000
But you know, even that is just not ideal.

653
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:54.760
The ideal is, as we've talked about here during the show,

654
00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:56.360
is preserving the sexualrmones.

655
00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:01.159
Well, you know, I mean realistic when you look at

656
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:05.760
I mean, obviously both of them are surgical procedures. It

657
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:09.000
would seem to me that the vast sectimy and the

658
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:16.679
two bowls are basically a much simpler, uh less invasives

659
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:22.000
surgical technique that would have a far, far shorter recovery period.

660
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:24.880
Of course, they're not going to change the hormonal levels,

661
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:29.679
which is going to increase the healing time. Uh you know,

662
00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:32.480
it's going to cut it in half because the body

663
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:36.639
doesn't have to change the hormone making mechanism of the

664
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:38.960
whole body at that point in ten I mean, is

665
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.880
this this is crazy thinking on my part? Or is

666
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:45.599
it it be like the easy.

667
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:47.840
You're exactly right, you highlighted it perfectly.

668
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.679
It's you know, I mean, I mean we didn't even

669
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:54.599
touch on that part of it. And when we're talking

670
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:58.960
about you know, the conventional spain neuters. But you know,

671
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:02.400
the body is working in a fashion to build itself,

672
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:04.239
and when we took these own and the whole rest

673
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:07.599
of the indoquene system has to change, that doesn't change

674
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:10.400
in a dime. I mean, it's not like I come

675
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:12.760
out from anesthesia now I've got a whole new body

676
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:13.360
that can.

677
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:14.239
Do these things.

678
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:18.400
It takes it takes quite a while for that body

679
00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:19.960
to readjust itself, doesn't it.

680
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:23.760
Yeah, and it doesn't always. I had a case several.

681
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:26.159
Years ago when I was at a particular conventional that

682
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:29.719
office where a little Yorky came in and had a

683
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:33.400
piometer or an abscessed uterus, and it was spade, you know,

684
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:37.559
as needed at that time, although I will say that

685
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:42.800
sometimes homeopathy can treat piometers. But you know, so the

686
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:46.039
dog was Spade, and then within a few weeks later,

687
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:50.039
the dog presented for increased thirst urination pot belly, and

688
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.840
now it had an adrenam gland problem called Cushion's disease

689
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:56.360
that just developed, you know, right after it was you know,

690
00:40:56.400 --> 00:41:01.039
removing the you know, the ovaries. So you know, it's

691
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:03.199
just you know, when you see these things in actual

692
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:06.440
clinical practice, like you said, the weight gain, the thyroid problems,

693
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:11.159
et cetera. Uh, you know, it's it's definitely a stress

694
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:13.559
on the body and it shows the inter relationship of

695
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:15.199
all these different systems.

696
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:18.440
Yeah, I mean, the question that popped up there was

697
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:21.719
talking about piometer, which I think you've covered pretty heavily.

698
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:23.920
And in what you were talking about at the time

699
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:27.599
of that. You know, I don't know if you've read

700
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:28.639
the comments or not.

701
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:31.000
Yeah, but yeah, I.

702
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:34.119
Think I addressed it already, so I think you did

703
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:37.599
a good job of it too. Again or it's not

704
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:41.559
just the hormones, it's lifestyle, it's toxins, it's uh, you know,

705
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:46.360
over vaccinating, it's uh, you know, species inappropriate diets. All

706
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:49.440
of these factors go into these diseases, not just not

707
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:50.360
just hormones.

708
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:52.800
It's exactly right.

709
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:54.119
Now.

710
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:56.719
The other part of this with when we look at

711
00:41:56.760 --> 00:42:02.559
the non conventional sterilization is you know, and I just

712
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:05.000
I brushed on it that why isn't it being done more?

713
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:13.800
But why is it that pet owners cannot find veterinarians

714
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:18.199
willing to do these procedures, even on you know, even

715
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:22.039
as a request. I mean, if you're if you're trained

716
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:24.320
as a surgeon, shouldn't you be able to do this

717
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:27.480
with I don't all I want to say, with one

718
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:31.159
hand tied behind your back. But it should be relatively simple,

719
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:31.760
shouldn't it.

720
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:32.280
Yeah?

721
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:35.599
No, I agree, But as I said, you know, there

722
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:39.119
is a movement hopefully that will take hold where young

723
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:43.760
veterinarians and veterinarians and you know, teaching in college veninary school.

724
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:46.559
You know, we'll be learning these techniques because of the

725
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:51.360
you know, the published information like you so wonderfully outlined there.

726
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:53.719
Well, you know, I mean, I know, I've got people

727
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:56.760
that you know, have come into the store and of

728
00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:58.960
course you know, once they're spain new we have different

729
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:02.519
verbals of batanas and you've got other homeopathics that can

730
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:04.760
help out with that. But they say, I've called ten

731
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:08.360
veterinarians and I ask about, you know, having a vast sectomy,

732
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:12.719
and they say that they don't do that, nobody does them,

733
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:17.639
and I just it just doesn't make sense to me.

734
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:19.920
I mean, first off, it's going to be business for

735
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:24.800
your vet clinic a most that most let's don't do

736
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:28.639
their own surgery. You're bringing in a surgeon anyway, which

737
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:31.519
is charging normally a higher price, a premium price because

738
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:34.880
you got a specialist, right, shouldn't that be like on

739
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:38.880
the menu if you will, okay, if you want to, yeah,

740
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:41.239
you know you can have it done. We only do

741
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:45.199
them the third Thursday of every month, so you know,

742
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:46.960
we can scale. We can book you in. Our surgeon

743
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:48.440
is going to come in and you're just gonna zip

744
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:53.039
through a doesn't vast ectomies and you know, go to lunch.

745
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:58.280
I mean it, that's it. I mean that's a marketing

746
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:03.280
problem partly, but but it's all also I think it

747
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:06.199
deals with the ethics on the on the professional side

748
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:09.199
as well. I don't want to damage my dog anymore.

749
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:12.360
I've done my research, and you're telling me that you

750
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:17.920
would rather damage my animal, then you know, then cater

751
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:21.800
to my crazy whimp if you will.

752
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:24.199
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

753
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:26.360
Now there are one of my clients to I mean

754
00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:30.039
there are on social media if you'd search that topic

755
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:35.239
of you know, theseectomes and you know, overresparing procedures. There

756
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:38.719
are uh support pages that have i think lists of

757
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:42.239
veninarians that provide those services. So you know there are

758
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:43.519
resources out there.

759
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:46.280
Yeah, but I mean there's a lot of extra work.

760
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:48.039
I mean when you look at you know, South Florida,

761
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:50.639
what do we have a thousand of the clinics, I mean,

762
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:55.360
and you can't find one that you know that doesn't

763
00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:56.760
of course none of them advertise it.

764
00:44:56.840 --> 00:45:00.079
So it's you know, it's a mind building in the

765
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:03.079
rescues and the shelters, you know, they're doing tens of

766
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:06.039
space and newters a day and just you know, ripping

767
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:09.000
those organs out, and you know it's so fast they

768
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:11.239
get these sergeants can do them in a few minutes,

769
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:16.920
you know, so uh, you know, they're they're quick, they're trained,

770
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:22.639
and they really are going about their business and rapid fire.

771
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:24.320
Ways.

772
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:28.039
Yeah, it's funny as we're I mean, as we're coming

773
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:29.800
closer to the end of show. I mean, I've known

774
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:32.239
a number of veterinarians that I'm sure you have as well.

775
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:35.280
In fact, I know you have as well. That because

776
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:40.960
that we're on the natural side, homeopathy, you know, natural pathic,

777
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:46.400
all of that sort of thing that's basically abandoned the

778
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:51.920
allopathic ways. And in order to pay for their license

779
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:53.199
if you will, I mean, you put a lot of

780
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:57.639
dollars into your education, basically just became spay and neuters

781
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:01.440
specialists because it just the bills. They kind of block

782
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:05.400
it out in their mind and they're like robots or

783
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:07.719
zombies when it comes to doing that. And at the

784
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:09.639
end of the day they go home and you know,

785
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:14.840
you know, unfortunately, you know, the veterinarians are one of

786
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:18.719
the top suicide groups in the world. It's you know,

787
00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:20.880
because it's very depressing you. You know, you didn't go into

788
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:24.159
vat medicine to hurt animals. You know, most people went

789
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:27.199
into it, you know, most kids. And I've got several

790
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:30.360
employees with sons and daughters that are looking for careers.

791
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:31.800
And it's like, I want to work with animals. I

792
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:34.039
want so I'm want to become a veterinarian. But you're

793
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:36.400
not working with animals for the most part. You're working

794
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:41.400
with owners and trying to fix problems that either the owners,

795
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:44.280
but because of lack of education or because of being

796
00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:49.199
misinformed by other veterinarians, you're fixing all the problems. And

797
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:53.320
that's not a fun place to be, right And you know,

798
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:55.760
the venary professionists people say I want to go into

799
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:57.400
it because I want to. I don't want to.

800
00:46:57.400 --> 00:46:58.039
Deal with people.

801
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:00.920
But like you said, I mean, feeling with the guardians

802
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:05.920
and the owners is a full time, stressful job. And uh,

803
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:08.760
you know you have to be like trained in psychology

804
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:11.960
and social work to really be able to effectively, you know,

805
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:16.280
navigate the delicate balance of you know, of the guardian's health.

806
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:19.000
Yeah, okay, we got about two minutes left to you.

807
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:21.960
How can people reach you? Uh, and how can we

808
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:26.320
help them? Fix their animals well, and really fix their animals,

809
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:28.800
not fix them in let's span contact.

810
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:32.039
We can go to my website which is doctordimm dot com.

811
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:34.599
That's d O C T O R d y M

812
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:38.320
dot com. That has all my information, my contact information,

813
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:41.960
my email address, and just let people know.

814
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:43.320
In the West Palm Beacherry.

815
00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:47.519
I also give periodic talks at the Hippocrates Health Institute

816
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:49.480
and that's open to the public as well.

817
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:52.719
Okay, good And of course I give me reached, you know,

818
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:56.639
through my Paleo pad uh, through the various uh social

819
00:47:56.639 --> 00:48:00.760
media's here, through the show itself. You know, we're on

820
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:04.079
all the different platforms. Again, I want people to share

821
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and like and subscribe so that we get this information out.

822
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:11.559
I think we, you know, gave a lot of information

823
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:16.360
on the basically the downside of spaan neuter and hopefully

824
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:20.119
we can have more healthy animals. With that being said,

825
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:24.920
we'll be back again in the near future. I'll see

826
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:27.320
you again next week. Thank you, good night.

827
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