The Truth About Pet Spay and Neuter (Not Fixed)

0:00 Any health related information on the following show provides general information only. Content presented on any show by any host or guests should not be substituted for a doctor's advice. Always consult your physician before beginning any new diet, exercise, or treatment program. And then now it's time for Pet Health Cafe, where your Pet has a Voice. And here's your host, Bill the Pet Health Guru, and welcome to Pet Health Cafe to show where your pets a voice. This is Bill, your Pet Health Guru, along with my special guest host doctor and Michael dem How are we doing, Doc.

0:52 We're doing really well. Bill. How about yourself? Good? Good? Busy week again? They actually are all busy weeks. I mean that, I don't know whether it's that we're having an impact and and people are starting to finally wake up about you know, real health and uh nutrition and you know, doing things more holistically and homeopathically, or you know, they're just all going crazy. But we're seeing an influx of people that that want good stuff and want health instead of medicine. And you know, the cry out there is like what can we do ourselves? What can we do this natural? What can we do that's not medicine, and I'm sure you're starting to run into that with more and more pet owners as well.

1:40 Absolutely, yes, yeah, it's it. It's uh, you know, it's it's an amazing type thing that that this is going on. I know, we've got a really exciting topic again tonight. You know, not that we've ever mentioned spader neuter or sureization or anything like that in the past, but I wanted to take a little bit different look at it tonight than what we have because there's been a bunch of new stuff coming out. I don't even know if you're from if you've seen some of the things coming out or not. But in one one of the so called celebrity vets published something and this was basically the headline, don't know if we can read that or not. Well, let's see, don't strutalize your dog without knowing this, and it starts to talk about not doing conventional spe and newter. Now I didn't know there was such a thing, did you, except yeah, yeah, except that we've been pushing it for how long? Absolutely a long time. It's been a long long time. And you know, I mean I've had people come in, I've had other people in the veterinarian trade comment like we're not taught how to do anything, but which is really a shame. I mean, you know, you know, you know, I can't get into why the Whyser house because I mean,

3:11 we know, you know, the state boards and you know, the powers that be are looking at the bottom line primarily. And you know this is you know conventional spain neuters or money makers, aren't they? Yeah, read and butter practices along with you know, yearly vaccines and you know the fleet ticking hartware medications, the prescription diets. All those things are the cornerstone of preventive traditional medicine, of course, and space and neuters are being recommended, you know, for forever as long as I was, I've been a bit of Mariana even before. Yeah. Now, one of the interesting things, and we'll get into the story. I got a lot of information that through out there. But one of the questions that happened to pop in my mind when I was preparing for this is, you know, one of the challenges you and I both face is with the new dog owner or the animal that's just been adopted, that sort of saying the new and with a perspective pet guardians have no saying over this. It's done automatically into rescues, isn't it.

4:18 Yeah, yeah, I mean animals come into those rescues and you know, often at six eight weeks of age, they're being spade or neutered, and of course given all those other chemicals, drugs, shots, and you know, tremendous stress on the developing immune system. You know, right at a time when you know you want to be as aware. Of holistic health as possible, and you know a lot of times these interventions, including the removal of the sex hormones, can lead to all sorts of chronic issues down the road. Even if you know clients adopt these animals and put them on a species of appropriate diet. I mean the groundwork has been set up by that healthcare model, which you know, I always tell people is a is a wonderful You know, their their hearts are in the right place. And these rescue shelter organizations, you know, they want to get animals adopted out. You know, there's a lot of you know, homeless animals that are out there and you know, so their hearts are in the right place, but it's more of a herd health mentality and in other words, it's not really looking at the health of the individual animal. And so when you look at these early space and neuters, you know, it's really causing a lot of problems you know, down the road.

5:30 Well, I mean, I know that you've you've done some work with with various rescues, and that's RESINI in the past. And one of the questions IP up to them in mind is when it comes to the income that you know a rescue has to have, and you know it's not really by law, but it's just highly suggested, if you will, that they have a veteran, regular veterinarian it's on staff for on call, or that they have a great relationship with. And so isn't that the spay and neuter part of that where then those rescue veterinarians make probably the bulk of their.

6:13 Money, absolutely sure. You know, the spay neuter is the cornerstone a surgical procedure that certainly, uh again, the bread and butter of those type of operations, you know. So yeah, yeah, I agree, And you. Know, I mean my view and I've gotten kind of beat up because I did this a few years back. I actually did interviews with about half a dozen or more rescues in an event I was at, and I said, isn't the job really of a rescue to take an animal from a bad place and just make sure that it's healthy, that it's doing well, and move it to a good place, and not be involved in all this secondary, secondary, so called health issues, which in many cases there is no health issue to start with. You know, an animal's got fleas. I mean, you do a flea bath, you do you can do a dip, you can do a number of different things when fleas are gone. You shouldn't be in the business of medicating, should you.

7:15 No? I agree, I mean I think one of the biggest impetuses is, of course to get all these things done from a conventional model of medicine, because so makes them more attractive to be adopted or rescued out is okay, they've had their spay and neuter, they've been given all the shots, they've been started on. You know, these combination flee ticking, hardware and medications which are either oral or topical. So it's a. Big carrot for people to see, Oh I don't have to do any of these things. I don't have to incur after I adopt, I don't have to incur all these expenses because it's been taken care of her ready, So you know, that's another impetus why they do all that. The interesting thing is, though, and I did a thing on economics that don't previous show uneconomics of why does our animals cost so much? Essentially, those those things that the rest you did for the welfare of the animal itself, they didn't have to do any of it, did they?

8:16 No, not at all, I agree. You know, And wouldn't it make you know, I know a lot of that A lot of the animals, a lot, especially a lot of dogs, not so much with kittens and cats, but primarily with dogs. A large portion of the dogs that are ending up in these shelters and in these rescues are there because the owners cannot afford the medical care because they haven't budgeted for starting out with a diet obviously, or the actual care itself. And all of a sudden you get slapped with a thousand, two thousand dollars that bill, and you know, I can't afford it. I can't afford to keep this going on, and they want me on this all these you know, all these drugs and remedies and preventatives and protocols, you know, for the rest of their life. I just can't afford a thousand, two thousand and three thousand dollars a year extra above and beyond the cost of food, right, and you know, they end up giving them up. And you know, these unfortunately, these animals, you know, deserve a better chance, if you will, exactly. But again to focus in on the spay and neuter part of it, as you mentioned in the beginning, that this has been a major cornerstone and of course the rescue business and in the veterinary practices since before you even started. And yet I guess

9:49 as a question, has this really made that much bigger of an impact on a number of animals that are in the shell through because I'm seeing numbers that they're increasing every month every year. You know, they never seem to decrease, and yet we're trying to control the population to it. Did something seemed wrong there? Yeah? I agree, It just seems like a never ending battle. And like you said, there are numbers of those animals seem to be increasing, you know, and you know, there's all these efforts made to rescue animals in you know, poor countries or regions devastated by.

10:30 Storms or hurricanes, and you know. It seems like there's never there's always an endless supply of more and more, you know, rescue animals that need homes. And as I said, it's a wonderful you know, wonderful their their goals. And their purpose is you know, is very noble. Although I will be honest with you and you probably can comment on it too, you know, getting involved with some of these rescues over the years, there's a lot of politics and reed and ego that goes into them, and uh it's not always uh you know, so while they're on the surface their mission is very noble, sometimes there's you know, like you know, a lot of aspects of our lives, you know, ego and control issues come in and you know, so I've definitely seen that in the in the rescue world as well.

11:20 Yeah, I mean I've seen that where I mean, you know, I mean some of these people that that are that start to rescue and that sort of thing. Basically they're creating a job for themselves and instead of paid employees, they're you know, they're using volunteers. And how much of you know again, when I look at it, if the bulk of the money is going to the veterinarian for these bay and neuters and all these drugs and and you know that ejection type thing, what's the benefit of the animal? Yeah, yeah, exactly Like I said, it's just a it's it's done for there really is. And you know a lot of health benefit. We're putting animals through all these stresses at the same time. But you know, I'm sure we'll get into you know, the health related aspects of spaying and neutering.

12:11 But you know, they again it's it's they want to control a pet population. You know, they want to That's the old adage of the you know, the ASPCA, you know, the the late Bob Barker used to say, at the end of the price is right, don't forget to get your pet spade or neutered, kind of like a battle cry of people in that, you know, in that realm of of work or attention. And you know, it's uh, you know. It's it's not really what's right for that individual animal. And you know, as I said, and then you know, just to. Throw it in there with the vaccines, you know, the animals come in there and instead of doing let's say, which are now available, like rapid tighter tests, which can show that these animals have immunity if either natural exposure or prior vaccinations, that they'll they just go ahead and give them shots instead of checking their tighter levels. And so you know, that's something else that's very disturbing in shelter rescue medicine right now.

13:14 To get into this what we're seeing more and more of, of course, you know, I want to talk a little bit as we move along into some of the unconventional ways that you can control overpopulation and the serialization and that sort of thing. But what does article claiming this? This came out of a twenty twenty three study, so this is up to date stuff, not the old Center for Veterinarian Medicine comments that I used to give all the time that you know, it cuts their lifespan in half. It's but it's a first of a kind study involving over six thousand dog owners that reveal that spade and neutered dogs develop more health and behavioral problem than intec dogs and dogs that are underwent alternative serialization processes. You know, you and I have discussed that at great lengths and now here it is there is you know, at least have study this, butN been done that shows that this affects the overall health of the animal. And an overall health issue has a lot of bearing on the behaviors.

14:28 And you know that. You know the dogs are harder to train, harder, the house break, you know, all the aggressions anxieties that just because we removed a couple of unimportant parts of your will. It's like you know, and and when we're looking at having a pet, we don't want to pet with behavior problems or health issues, do. We No, not at all. And as I when I give my lectures an apocrity, I always talk about when you remove the. Sex hormones, just like a unit. You know, with people, when sex hormone levels go down, you know whether it's a male or female that affects globally, you know the health of that individual person. And the same is true with our animals. Because the endocrine system, of the hormonal systems of the body are all interconnected.

15:22 They're all interrelated. They function as a holistic, a holistic unit, so they don't function in isolated parts. So when you. Remove those sex hormones, you affect you know, brain structures like the pituitary gland and other structures in the brain that are involved with behavior. You affect, the adrenal glands, the thyroid, the endocrine system, the pancreas. You know, you. Affect you know, so yanking those sex hormones, at those hormones, they're all you know, they all affect one another. Well, one of the things that you know, and I mean this is my own curiosity and my own obvious point of view, but these hormones are not tied specifically to just this to sex. It's they're involved in a lot of other processes throughout the whole body, and by labeling them as a sex hormone or as a sex organ is a complete misnomer, isn't it.

16:22 Absolutely yeah, yeah, just as they said, at least. That's hormones not only inter relate with other hormone systems, but they have multiple effects in the body, not just you know, the typical male or female typical behaviors. So they have global effects on the individual. So removing them and rendering them basically non present in the body at least the whole sorts of health issues. Absolutely well, you know, I mean, you know again we come down and you know what, we've done parts of several shows about this too, about the way the language has been basically hijacked, and you know, since not been thinking about what we what most people perceive of spay and neuter is basically we are fixing our animal to prevent reproduction without any you know, first off, they weren't broken, so how can you fix that?

17:19 Right? And secondly, it's not just about the set you know as you as we relate sex hormones, it's about hormones in general, right that we are basically being and basically that procedure is probably one of the ultimate endocrine disruptors, probably behind gm O horn. Yeah, yeah, very true, Bill. And so you know when I mentioned all those indocrine systems, you know, there's diseases of those organs that are significantly increased in the surgically sterilized animal. You know, from you know again, hypoth iroidism, uh you know, uh, diabetes, a dreamal problems like Cushing's disease and the dog. You know, there's all these pathologies that are significantly increased in the you know, in the spade or neuded animal.

18:11 And it's you know, it really makes very little sense that And again, this is what got me in trouble when I did a series of interviews with a bunch of rescues, is if you're going to be real, you know, one of the main reasons I was told that rescues have to do all these things is because the owners are not going to be responsible enough to make sure that these things don't happen, the unwanted pregnancies, that they're not going to take care of them as far as flees and ticks and all this. And it's like, well, why are you adopting this animal to somebody that you know is not going to take care of them? Does that make any sense at all?

19:01 No, not at all. I agree. So, you know, so the reasons for doing it, I think we're well established here has nothing really to do with the health of the animal. And basically Spain uter is actually and we got about about thirty seconds here, but it's actually anti health, isn't it. Yeah, Yeah, sure is, you know, in the ways we're starting to describe here, And you know, it's not really for the health again of the individual animal. It's more for again population dynamics, just like you know, herd of cattle or herd of sheep, where they look at the health of the herd as a global unit rather than the health of the individual.

19:45 Animal from a holistic health wise perspective. Yeah, okay, when we come back, I want to talk a little bit about why we do this in the farm animals, which is totally totally different. We'll be right back. Does your pets suffer from allergies, cancer, digestive issues, poor joint and skin problems. These can be from poor nutrition and Mypilio Pet can help. Don't let your pets suffer for poor diet and nutrition. At my Paleo Pet, we provide fresh human brain USDA approved biocomplete raw food entrees for dogs and cats. Whether you're looking for healthy food for dogs or natural herbs for pets, we provide you with exactly what they need to live a happy and healthy life. Our raw food for pets surpasses traditional raw dog food and cat food that you find in your local pet store. Our raw food is made fresh on the premises, source from local suppliers, and are made with only the utmost quality with specific nutritional and functional benefits.

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21:50 Products can be ordered online twenty four to seven at mypaleopet dot com and ship nationwide to your doorstep. Called nine five four nine seven one only five hundred to speak with our friendly staff today. Let my Pelleo Pet help keep your pet heappier and healthier. All right and We're back here in a pet health cafe to show where your pet has a voice. This is Build a Pet House Gurule along with my special guest host, doctor Michael dimm I said, I wanted to mention something about the farm animals. Why is it that we don't stay in newter all the rest of the domestic livestock that's out there for the most part, And if we do, they're only basically doing the males, aren't they.

22:47 Yeah, I mean that's called colling ull, but right, you know, they do you know, the females. I think I'm not a farm animal expert, but you know, when those animals stop producing again, it's a it's an income based decision, but when they're not able. To produce adequate milk or wool. Or whatever or whatever it may be, then those animals are no longer useful. So not that they don't have you know, the farm people have some obviously, uh you know, tender affection to their animals. I'm not saying that, but you know, when they're no longer productive, typically they end up being. Yeah. Well to one of the one of the things that we know, and especially in cattle, is that when you of course you know, uh, they castraight most of the bull calves, which we call steers, you know, in a final phase. And the reason that they do that is they get fat, which produces more money. Now, if I take that model and I look at that, and I'm looking at okay, I got this male dog over here.

23:55 If I can't straight him, what's going to be is side effect? They gonna be OBEs, yes, again, also affecting other metabolic organ systems like the thyroid too. A lot of those doors become you know, hypothartpy, and then it affects their whole structural basis. In other words, when you have an intact male dog for an example, or you know, people can tolerate cats, their whole shape of their body is different. It's the way it evolved to be. Their structure of their bones and their heads and their skulls are totally different. So when people see an intact male animal, especially a dog, they're like, oh my god, they don't even recognize what it looks like because that's normal.

24:37 Yeah, it's it's it's funny because I'm looking at you know, a listing that they put in this as well, and I mean, I don't know if you be able to. I mean, it's not a manner of being able to read it. But you can see they think, now, where's the chart. Come on, where's the chart. Here's the chart. Nah, I'm no good at doing is okay. You can see a whole page of things. These are all side effects, right okay, and including obesity right at the very top what I just mentioned, Okay, ligament problems. Gee, what do you see in ligaments that are generally a.

25:19 Problem epidemic levels of you know, especially in dogs, of. Cruciate ligaments or what are known as. Acls, and the hormones are definitely involved with the health and integrity of those joints. And I do want to add too that people often are realizing, and I like to always add an additional point is that animals that are vaccinated, they've identified antibodies against the own the own ligamentous tissue of the body, and so even vaccines can exacerbate ACL tears because it's a it's an autoimmune disease. It's an immune disease, it's not a not a trauma or an injury. So ligament issues acls definitely the sex hormones.

25:59 Or involved, as well as other bubbs. You know you you could read on of course. Yeah, I mean another one urinary sphinger mechanism incontinents. You know right up there at the top. You know that that ay're increased longevity. I mean, that's what on that note, you know. And I know the article is not about cats, but cats that are neutered or spained when they're real young, especially in the male cats, are much more likely to have urinary tract inflammation, crystals, blockages. I mean because the whole urinary tract hasn't developed correctly. So, uh, you know a lot of what we're saying applies to felines as well. Yeah, yeah, And I mean the reason I want to go through this list is because I want our listeners to know that, you know, when we you know, generally, when you're in the animal hospital, they're not going to tell you that this is related in any way to that spae or neuter or that serialization. I mean, it's just not even going to come up in the conversation.

26:53 But like I said, the urinary problems overall longevity, which I just mentioned, hip dysplasia tied directly to it. Bonus lymphoma mat cells. Yeah, lymphoma, the number one cancer like we talked about last week in our animals. Yeah, you know, directly related to again the sex hormone deficiency. Yeah, US user coma's bone cancer very problematic. And large and giant breed. Dogs especially you know, any large dog, Goldens, Rottweilers, labs, you know, any big breed dog, giant breeds get that, you know, much more prone to bone cancer.

27:34 Right, transitional cell carcinoma, something we don't most people don't even talk. About ladder cancer absolutely, you know. Yeah, in people, bladder cancer is often related to toxic exposure. Like cigarette smoke has been a you know, criminating factor. So you know, so many factors involved with these cancers, Bill, But when we look at these sex hormones, they definitely you know, this is what you're reading. It's showing the global effects on the body. Yeah, the moving and of course this one ties into into what you were talking about with the cats, the stiitis you know, uh, per neal hernia's memory tumors.

28:19 Yeah, and that's actually opposite to what you know, we were taught. We were taught that if you remove the sex hormones when they're young, you prevent breast cancer or memory cancer in dogs or cats. And now the data is obviously mixed because you just read from this article that you know, removing those sex hormones increases in some studies the incidents of these diseases. So yeah, but in this study this is this is one of all. Of course the uh preussly you know, hyperplasia is also affected. But things that this actually prevents.

29:01 This is a good part. After Jim, you won't get uter in ovary in or vaginal tumors because they're. Not there, right, Well, those tumors are very rare anyway, so I mean they're not very common in clinical practice, right. And of course the same thing, you know, prostate carcinoma's I mean, you know, if you take the pipe hoarin out, It's like I often said, you know, when I meet with veterinarians and they keep telling me about that we have to do this to prevent the cancer, and I just tell them, I don't want you to get lung cancer, so let's just remove your lungs and you will never have that problem again. You know, that's still erroneously tell clients. And you know, even when I.

29:42 Was taught in school, many moons ago is that if you don't nut to your animal, they're going to be more prone to prostate cancer. And actually the data of the actual opposite. In my thirty plus years of practice, I haven't seen any cases of prostate cancer and intact mail doll. In fact, they're all what I remember in in the in the neutered actmals. To be fair, I mean, the intact male dogs sometimes will get prostatic enlargements or cysts, you know, that can sometimes cause symptoms, just like you know older people. But most of those conditions can be managed with diet and herbs and homeopathy and then the body put back into balance because again, prostate disease has a lot more, you know, has other factors besides sex hormone involvement, toxicity or immune diseases. Vaccines all can play a role with instance of prostate disease. So but you know, I just thought i'd mentioned there about the prostate issues sometimes occasionally.

30:45 Seen in intact male dogs. Yeah, I mean it's you know, of course, when we look when we look at it and we see all these problems that are actually tied to it, you know, when we see the other problems that are coming up the behavioral problems, and that so many of these things occur over time, and how many of them are blamed on Oh, well, the animal is just getting old or old. You know, it's an old animal at five years old, six years old when you know, longevity wise, they should be twenty years old before that, you know, before the body gets to that point where toxicity and efficiently say have built up to the point where we're going to see a decrease. And that's really what it is, is that build up over time. But when we make this distress to change. And of course what we didn't mention at all either is what's the effect of the surgery itself.

31:47 Where at the pre surgical drugs, a pre you know, in the anesthesia, the post anthesia drugs, the antibiotics, the painkillers. How does with this young little animal that the developing, what do they what do they do to that system? And not just the endocrine system itself, but the whole body. Yeah. Actually, and then you know you bring up mental emotional issues. You know, I was always taught that you're neutered to male dog to calm them. Down, you know, so to speak. You know, and actually most fear based aggressions and anxieties and separation anxiety and those kind of symptoms are again, like you outlined, I mean significantly increased in the surgically altered animal. So that decision to do it because of calming them down often is again.

32:34 The opposite of what you know people are told. Yeah, I mean whether the SPAE or newter a needs to be a decision by the what's going to be the lifetime pet parent, not by some you know, rescuing that by some veterinarian, that's by some vettech, some advocate group that may have a good cause, but it see the pet guardian, that pet owner that has got to be able to pay for and to manage all these problems that I just outline that we see happening with that when they had no control over it at all.

33:21 And it's really an unfair system to the animal and to that perspective person because when you go to adopt an animal too, they're playing on your heart. This poor animal needs a home. You know, we just mess them up terribly. Can you take them home and maybe make them feel better? Isn't that kind of part of that sale if you will? Yeah? Yeah, And to mention, you know, about the you know, again the I always want to bring on because I'm sure there are people watching in the audience that say, but there are benefits to span andary. You know, obviously, if they don't have a uterus, they're not going to get something called a piometro which was a uterine infection or an abscess. Right. But I find in.

34:01 Animals that are raised holistically that basically that disease is something that I don't see in animals on species appropriate diets and you know, minimally vaccinated and on you know, non pesticide, you know, parasite control, and so you know a lot of these diseases are you know, multi factorial, and so you know, yes, you don't see an abscess uterus in a. Spade, you know female. You know, a couple of other diseases, uh, you know, testicular. Cancer you're not going to see in an intact but again very rare, don't really spread to other airs of the body. Again, if prostate enlargement occurs or little rectal growth occur, again, those all can be treated with homeopathy, herbs, and diet. And so again, none of these minor benefits, in my opinion, are worth you know, removing those sex.

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36:38 All right, and we're back here in a Pet health Cafe. The show where Your Pet has a Voice is to build a Pet Health Gurule along with doctor Michael dim and I've forgotten in the beginning of the show to tell people that they can, you know, go ahead, and you know listener questions and comments in the chat room, and of course we wanted to share this information and like it and subscribe to our channel because people need to know about this so that you can have a health in your animal. Now, in talking about the sterilization itself, we talked a lot about the spay and neuter and all the problems that it can create. Why do we not see more animals being the male animals going through a vas ectomy or the females of tubal ligation or something of that nature where it doesn't change the hormone level, but yet they cannot reproduce. Why isn't this being done, Why isn't it being promoted?

37:46 I think recently, I mean I read an article many about a year or two ago in one of the conventional vet journals that said that, you know. The wave of the future. You know, the colleagues are now acknowledging that, you know, preserving sexual hormones has all these health benefits. So you know, there is a movement now and I think slowly and at the veninary school level and young veterinarians to learn these techniques of you know, sex clanned preserving you know, sterilization, whether it's a vasectomy and a dog, or or just removing the uterus in a you know, in a female and a bitch. So you know, it's I think it's slow to start, Bill, but it's it's it's definitely I think the wave of the future now. A lot of my colleagues actually, you know, big thing they now recommend is wait till they're a year or two years of age, when they're mature, and then do it.

38:41 Well, you'll get some. Benefit of that, you know, in terms of the joint, you know, the bones, allowing them to grow out. But you know, even that is just not ideal. The ideal is, as we've talked about here during the show, is preserving the sexualrmones. Well, you know, I mean realistic when you look at I mean, obviously both of them are surgical procedures. It would seem to me that the vast sectimy and the two bowls are basically a much simpler, uh less invasives surgical technique that would have a far, far shorter recovery period.

39:22 Of course, they're not going to change the hormonal levels, which is going to increase the healing time. Uh you know, it's going to cut it in half because the body doesn't have to change the hormone making mechanism of the whole body at that point in ten I mean, is this this is crazy thinking on my part? Or is it it be like the easy. You're exactly right, you highlighted it perfectly. It's you know, I mean, I mean we didn't even touch on that part of it. And when we're talking about you know, the conventional spain neuters. But you know, the body is working in a fashion to build itself, and when we took these own and the whole rest of the indoquene system has to change, that doesn't change in a dime. I mean, it's not like I come out from anesthesia now I've got a whole new body that can.

40:13 Do these things. It takes it takes quite a while for that body to readjust itself, doesn't it. Yeah, and it doesn't always. I had a case several. Years ago when I was at a particular conventional that office where a little Yorky came in and had a piometer or an abscessed uterus, and it was spade, you know, as needed at that time, although I will say that sometimes homeopathy can treat piometers. But you know, so the dog was Spade, and then within a few weeks later, the dog presented for increased thirst urination pot belly, and now it had an adrenam gland problem called Cushion's disease that just developed, you know, right after it was you know, removing the you know, the ovaries. So you know, it's just you know, when you see these things in actual clinical practice, like you said, the weight gain, the thyroid problems, et cetera. Uh, you know, it's it's definitely a stress on the body and it shows the inter relationship of all these different systems.

41:16 Yeah, I mean, the question that popped up there was talking about piometer, which I think you've covered pretty heavily. And in what you were talking about at the time of that. You know, I don't know if you've read the comments or not. Yeah, but yeah, I. Think I addressed it already, so I think you did a good job of it too. Again or it's not just the hormones, it's lifestyle, it's toxins, it's uh, you know, over vaccinating, it's uh, you know, species inappropriate diets. All of these factors go into these diseases, not just not just hormones. It's exactly right. Now. The other part of this with when we look at the non conventional sterilization is you know, and I just I brushed on it that why isn't it being done more?

42:05 But why is it that pet owners cannot find veterinarians willing to do these procedures, even on you know, even as a request. I mean, if you're if you're trained as a surgeon, shouldn't you be able to do this with I don't all I want to say, with one hand tied behind your back. But it should be relatively simple, shouldn't it. Yeah? No, I agree, But as I said, you know, there is a movement hopefully that will take hold where young veterinarians and veterinarians and you know, teaching in college veninary school. You know, we'll be learning these techniques because of the you know, the published information like you so wonderfully outlined there.

42:52 Well, you know, I mean, I know, I've got people that you know, have come into the store and of course you know, once they're spain new we have different verbals of batanas and you've got other homeopathics that can help out with that. But they say, I've called ten veterinarians and I ask about, you know, having a vast sectomy, and they say that they don't do that, nobody does them, and I just it just doesn't make sense to me. I mean, first off, it's going to be business for your vet clinic a most that most let's don't do their own surgery. You're bringing in a surgeon anyway, which is charging normally a higher price, a premium price because you got a specialist, right, shouldn't that be like on the menu if you will, okay, if you want to, yeah, you know you can have it done. We only do them the third Thursday of every month, so you know, we can scale. We can book you in. Our surgeon is going to come in and you're just gonna zip through a doesn't vast ectomies and you know, go to lunch.

43:53 I mean it, that's it. I mean that's a marketing problem partly, but but it's all also I think it deals with the ethics on the on the professional side as well. I don't want to damage my dog anymore. I've done my research, and you're telling me that you would rather damage my animal, then you know, then cater to my crazy whimp if you will. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Now there are one of my clients to I mean there are on social media if you'd search that topic of you know, theseectomes and you know, overresparing procedures. There are uh support pages that have i think lists of veninarians that provide those services. So you know there are resources out there.

44:44 Yeah, but I mean there's a lot of extra work. I mean when you look at you know, South Florida, what do we have a thousand of the clinics, I mean, and you can't find one that you know that doesn't of course none of them advertise it. So it's you know, it's a mind building in the rescues and the shelters, you know, they're doing tens of space and newters a day and just you know, ripping those organs out, and you know it's so fast they get these sergeants can do them in a few minutes, you know, so uh, you know, they're they're quick, they're trained, and they really are going about their business and rapid fire. Ways.

45:25 Yeah, it's funny as we're I mean, as we're coming closer to the end of show. I mean, I've known a number of veterinarians that I'm sure you have as well. In fact, I know you have as well. That because that we're on the natural side, homeopathy, you know, natural pathic, all of that sort of thing that's basically abandoned the allopathic ways. And in order to pay for their license if you will, I mean, you put a lot of dollars into your education, basically just became spay and neuters specialists because it just the bills. They kind of block it out in their mind and they're like robots or zombies when it comes to doing that. And at the end of the day they go home and you know, you know, unfortunately, you know, the veterinarians are one of the top suicide groups in the world. It's you know, because it's very depressing you. You know, you didn't go into vat medicine to hurt animals. You know, most people went into it, you know, most kids. And I've got several employees with sons and daughters that are looking for careers.

46:30 And it's like, I want to work with animals. I want so I'm want to become a veterinarian. But you're not working with animals for the most part. You're working with owners and trying to fix problems that either the owners, but because of lack of education or because of being misinformed by other veterinarians, you're fixing all the problems. And that's not a fun place to be, right And you know, the venary professionists people say I want to go into it because I want to. I don't want to. Deal with people. But like you said, I mean, feeling with the guardians and the owners is a full time, stressful job. And uh, you know you have to be like trained in psychology and social work to really be able to effectively, you know, navigate the delicate balance of you know, of the guardian's health.

47:16 Yeah, okay, we got about two minutes left to you. How can people reach you? Uh, and how can we help them? Fix their animals well, and really fix their animals, not fix them in let's span contact. We can go to my website which is doctordimm dot com. That's d O C T O R d y M dot com. That has all my information, my contact information, my email address, and just let people know. In the West Palm Beacherry. I also give periodic talks at the Hippocrates Health Institute and that's open to the public as well. Okay, good And of course I give me reached, you know, through my Paleo pad uh, through the various uh social media's here, through the show itself. You know, we're on all the different platforms. Again, I want people to share and like and subscribe so that we get this information out.

48:07 I think we, you know, gave a lot of information on the basically the downside of spaan neuter and hopefully we can have more healthy animals. With that being said, we'll be back again in the near future. I'll see you again next week. Thank you, good night. Everybody. Does your pets suffer from allergies, cancer, digestive issues, poor joint and skin problems. These can be from poor nutrition and my Pilio pet can help. Don't let your pets suffer for poor diet and nutrition. At Mypilio Pet, we provide fresh, given brain USDA approved biocomplete roth food entrace for dogs and cats. Whether you're looking for healthy food for dogs or natural herbs for cats, you with exactly what they need to live a happy and healthy life.

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