Does Your Pet Need "Fixing?" Truth About Spay and Neuter.

0:00 Any health related information on the following show provides general information only. Content presented on any show by any host or guest should not be substituted for a doctor's advice. Always consult your physician before beginning any new diet, exercise, or treatment program. And then now it's time for Pet Health Cafe, where your Pet has a Voice. And here's your host, Bill the Pet Health Guru, and welcome to the Pet Health Cafe to show where your pet has a voice. This is Bill the Pet Health Guru. Along was my special guest host, doctor Michael Dim How are we doing, Doctor, I'm doing well.

0:52 Bill. How's it going there this week? It's been a rough week, I'll tell you. And it's it's been one of those things with all the unexpected things that I could ever imagine happening. But you know, you just work through it. We just take it one day at a time, one foot in front of the other. You know, hopefully we got a good belief system, and you know, we have to believe that what we're doing is right. Yep, I sure do. Some days it's a little bit more challenging than others, unfortunately, Okay, you know tonight, I mean it's one of these topics that I know we've talked about a lot in the past. We talked about actually it probably pops into many of our other topics because it has such impact on the health and welfare of our paths, both dogs and cats. And I don't think people realize the impact that what is now an accepted, you know, just normal procedure has on the longevity and the overall health of your pets. And of course I'm talking about spay and neuter, right. You know, the first thing I wanted to bring up is, you know, we don't talk about cash writing male dogs anymore

2:24 because that sounds barbaric, doesn't it. Yeah, that's true. They don't use that term as much. No, And of course the fact of the matter is is you know they used the term fixing, right, was the amal broken? The will have a defect? Yeah, yeah, it's very true. Bill, good play on words. So I'm not really a good play on words. The animal it's actually unfixed, right if you look at it that way. Exactly, we're purposely breaking it. We're breaking And I know I want to get into some of the physiology and that sort of thing as we move along. But when you start removing body parts. Are there any extra parts in the body that you know of and you're aware of and your you know, your years of medical training and medical treatments and things of that nature. Are there any what though, I didn't understand extra extra parts that we can just do without. No, not at all. I mean, especially when you remove the sex hormones, you actually take away you know, you actually affect the whole body, as we'll talk about, so you know, it's not just lessening of the hormones. This the you know, the estrogen and the testosterone. It's the effect globally on the body. Yeah,

3:57 and day we already got a good question. Is there any ways safe ways to so called fix but the question really is to prevent unexpected or accidental breedings? Yeah, there are, Yeah, that's actually probably the wave of the future is overre sparing space because of the even the conventional vet community acknowledges now the health benefits of keeping the sex hormones at least you know, the first few years of life. But obviously I believe in keeping them throughout life. So you know, there is an option of overre sparing space where they just remove the uterus. In fact, I think they're teaching veterinarians and veninary school and young veterinarians more about that, you know nowadays, and I think in the future that'll be more common. And of course then you have the option of the male dog is doing a vasectomy, which is keeping the testees and then just you know, of course sterilization by tying off the ducts of the vast difference and right limit and you know, but again maintaining the sextums.

5:09 Yeah, but what about tubal ligation. I mean, we were we don't have to actually remove the uters that it in whole. Wouldn't that be even a safer process? Obviously, you the surgery is going to be minimal, the surgical openings are minimal. In fact, with modern technology, I think that you know, with both the vastectomy and with the tubule, basically you can do a wound repair with a little bit of super glue, can't you, or next spand whatever they call it on the veterinary side, right right, No, absolutely. The only thing about tubule ligation is if you keep the uterus in, you end up with they'll tell you the allopathic community, you'll end up with a risk of of of getting uterine infections or pyometra, So that's why they remove the uterus. That's another reason to prevent that.

6:06 Not that I'm worried about that. In a holistic venory setting, I obviously tell people that, you know, animals that are healthy and raised more chemical free and drug and pesticide and vaccine free, those animals are much less likely to get uterine infections. But I think the tubal ligation though, where they maintain the uterus, I don't think that'll go over too well with the community. You know. I realize there's a lot less money to be made if you're doing it the right way. But in nature, I mean even with older animals, older female animals, essentially, it's kind of a part of the process, isn't it. As they age, they it reduces down their ability they live normal lives without getting pregnant anymore. Without that ability, the body kind of protects itself, doesn't it. Yeah, very true.

7:04 You know, with a with a healthy immune system too, you're not going to get infections like PyME true, would you? Absolutely? Not? Sure? Yeah, that's what I said. I try to maintain the health of the animal, and you know, as best as we can with the ways we talk about on the show every week. But again, as they age, it becomes less less common. For sure, as you're saying, because you know they're they're cycling as much less just like an older person. Sure, I kind of got a glance at that last question. I hope we can get it back up here. Yeah. I knew someone years ago that had had their male dogs testicles injected with some medication too new to the dog.

7:56 How safe is that? I remember years and years and years ago reading something basically, it's a chemical castration, isn't it. Yeah, Yeah, it fell out of vogue from what I remember. I think there were complications with it. It didn't always it wasn't always effective. You could get secondary you know, infections and and uh, you know, problems from the injection. So I think it fell out of vogue for those reasons. Well, basically in order to kill that reproductive sperm production. Uh, you're basically poisoning the testicle, aren't you. Yeah, you're rejecting a foreign chemical that you know, to see are you going to stay in the testicle? Yeah?

8:45 I was just gonna say, I mean, if they think it just stays in the testicle, but you know, it's you're going to have you know, absorption through the elymphatics and the blood vessels, and I don't know how they would it would stay locally just in the testicles. So but I think again, because of the complications, and I don't think it was as effective, it fell out of vogue. Yeah, probably a good thing that it did. Yeah, and then now they have, you know, a procedure where they newted the animal and they put neuticles or whatever they call them, and oh yeah in the testes just so that the animal looks like it is intact, just from a cosmetic perspective. I don't know. That's also wild.

9:26 Well that's kind of fallen out of vogue too, because people that did that basically were being attacked that you know you didn't do it, because I can still see them, and you know, now you're out there trying to explain that no, those are fake ones, not real ones, and you got a whole different argument going on at that point in time. And you know, people in society today are looking for anything that they can fight about down't they. Yeah, no, it's very true. So but you know, that idea of injecting or putting, you know, testicles back into the neuticles whatever they were called to me. It's just you know, foreign bodies.

10:11 They you know, there's all sorts of complications. And again you have a foreign substance in the body, just like a microchip is you know, yeah, that's you know, how safe is the microchip? And you know it changes the energy of the body, It changes the the whole you know, energetic system of the body when you put things in the body that don't belong there, and of course you affect the energy of the body when you take things out that should be there. So it works both ways, I know. I mean we're seeing we're seeing a you know, a lot of a lot more complications they even with on the human side, with breasting plants the same way a foreign body, and of course you know that's a little bit different. Even that's even more different because you can have leakages and things of that nature, where basically they were putting in the equivalent of marbles and any poor male dogs. Right. So again another comment, you know, on microchipping. I have seen too many cases and I'm sure that you have too, and I'd like you to expound on it a little bit more of injection site tar comas where microchips have been implanted. The problem with the migrating throughout the body the fact that you cannot remove them because you normally can't even find them, can you. Well, I mean surgeons can find them anywhere.

11:37 I mean they can find a way to find them. But they do migrate, as you said, and they are foreign material that's put into the body that don't belong there. And yeah, there's been you know, they can cause chronic low level inflammation and eventually you know, cancer at the site, just like we found out with certain vaccines and cats because you know, cancers at the side of the vaccine, fibrosar comas. You can see the same kind of thing from the foreign material of an implant, of a microchip implant, So the microchip too. Don't you have the problem with ems and other electronics and things of that nature of basically energy, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, the energy Again, you're injecting something that has a frequency in it, that emits you know, a frequency, and it's just again you're altering the flow of energy along the meridians. You're altering the life force. However you look at it, whether it's from a homeopathic perspective or a Chinese medical perspective. So yeah, I mean, you know, these questions are really really great, and I want to thank everybody that's chiming in and it's Washington night. I mean, I didn't do my normal thing in the beginning of the show. I want everybody to like it and share it with as many people as you can. Subscribe so you get this content. YouTube is a great way to do it because we can see some of the reactions and some of the comments. The new website for Pet Healthcafe dot com is up and

13:09 you can watch it by clicking on the link going directly to I believe it's of four HC. And of course all the episodes are being listed there. And I saw some numbers today that that I'm really pleased with. We're getting a lot more views than you and I ever thought. Great. And you know, the thing is is I made comment a couple of weeks ago while you were on your sabbatical that we weren't getting a lot of comments in the comment section on some of the programs with some of the guests that I had, and that sort of thing. And I made the comment, which are our engineer, producer commented on as well as nobody wants to type when I'm talking because you never know what's going to come out of my mouth. Yeah, but there's a certain amount of truth of that because I can. I mean, you're you know. I mean, I've done it to you many times. We start talking about something and all of a sudden there's a left hand turn with no signal. Yeah, you tell it like it is and you shoot from the head, that's for sure. I do. And it's you know. Of course it's funny too, because you know, I don't use a script, and so it's all coming from here. It's coming from the heart. And of course you know, you and I both when when we're on we're talking, many of the things that we discuss are things of

14:41 actual caseload that we have to see and the questions that we get every single day. Okay, there's a question for you, how can you please discuss how as economy works on a dog as well as any issues. Well, they make an incision, I don't. I'm not familiar with too many places that perform it. I mean, again, I know it's an increasing likelihood that in the future we'll see more of that, but it's Basically, an incision is made over the one of the ends of the testicle where what's called the vast deference, which is the tube that leads out of the testicle, you know, that allows you know, that amidst the sperm, amidst the sperm and the seminal juices, and it's tied off. They basically just put a you know, put a suture around it too, you know, to cause the sperm not to be able to travel outside the testicles running into a brick wall into a brick wall. But I've seen some complications with that, or I've heard of some complications with that over the years. I heard, you know, where it didn't work and the animal was able to impregnate another animal. But the idea is to, like I said, what it's called tie off the vast difference, which is again the tube that leads out of the testicle into the that allows the animal to uh to emit you know, sperm well, and I know that's one of the techniques they use it,

16:11 but I believe they were also using where they actually just take a small segment, you know, a millimeter or two of the vast efference out and of course it will heal itself over. So now you've got the natural blockage without it being able to be transferred very easily unless there happens to be incomplete healing, right right. Yeah, that's a delicate surgery obviously, but yeah, that's the idea behind it, you know, preserving the preserving the testes. Yeah, yeah, and of course you know, and you mentioned it a little bit in the very beginning. Of course, obviously the six hormones are greatly, greatly affected, but it's but the end. But it's a part of the endocrine system it's self, and it has to connect, if you will, with all the other organs that are in that endocrine system and work as a team, not as individual components, which is one of the things that you and I have discussed a lot in specialty medicines and of course in when we're you know, allopathic medicine is looking at just a specific symptom and not looking at the body as a whole. You know, how does that affect the other organs in the endocrine system. Well, I know, we're up on a break, but there's a lot of diseases that occur and have been shown to be significantly increased in the other hormonal systems. For example,

17:45 you know, thyroid problems are increased in dogs that are newted because of the loss of the sex hormones. I've seen animals develop piometris I'm sorry, cushions disease as a result, which is an overact of adrenal gland or due to a pituitary tumor where the adrenal glands produce too much cortisol. I've seen dogs that are against spade that end up developing that quite afterwards. So you get diseases in other endocrine systems. I've seen, and it's been written that diabetes is significantly increased in neutered or spade animals. So you're right, and that's directly related to the integrative function and how they work together. Of all the different you know, all the different glands, all the different they communicate with each other. And so to think that you remove one part of it you're not going to affect the whole thing is it's just ludicrous, you know.

18:41 I think one of the things that disturbs me the most on some of this, obviously the destruction of the body, but that is sold as a method for changing behavior males, male dogs and cats are less aggressive. You know, they you know, the training problems go away and that sort of thing. But that's not a testosterone challenge. That's more base. I believe in the fact that we've altered the body in such a way that it it. Obviously, with throwing off hormones, you're throwing off minerals. Minerals are tied to our mental and the mental capacities and functions and the behavior thing is can go either way in many cases that I've seen, I mean, they can get even worse, they can get better. It doesn't stop a lot of these behaviors, and we can get we can get into a lot more of these. Right after this quick break, Does your pet suffer from elergies, cancer, digestive issues, or joint and skin problems? These can be from poor nutrition, and Mypilio Pet can help. Don't let your pets suffer for poor diet and nutrition. At my Paleo Pet we provide fresh human grain USDA

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22:10 And we're back here in the Pet Health Cafe, the show where your pet has voice. This is build a Pet Health Guru along with my guest host, doctor Michael dimm Again, I want to remind you to go ahead and like, share and subscribe every place that you can. Let us get this message out so people understand exactly how your pet is affected by a so called fixing an unbroken animals. So with that we were talking about talk, you're talking about the behaviors. Yes, the incidents of various types of aggression like fear based aggression and various anxieties have the opposite. They actually increase in the surgically altered animals and the spade and neutered animals. So it's not just remove hormones and aggression goes away, or you know, certainly certain male typical behaviors will go away, like inner mail aggression. You know where they're you know, that can be you know, right, one effect of neutering, that's you know obviously, but the other types of aggression, like I said, fear based aggression, various anxieties are actually increased. Behavioral issues are actually increased when their spade or when looked at overall. Yeah, I mean, one of the things that they thought about as we were wrapping up there that when you when you start altering the endeprine system, of course that involves all the different organs that are involved there. And of course we talk a lot

23:41 about nutrition and that sort of thing. Well, if the system is out of balance, and then we throw in feeding a species inappropriate diet like you know, uh, highly processed foods and stuff like that, the body can't produce the enzymes to even digest that food. And that's going to have a major impact on aggression and behavior because you know, if I look at it, there's a bullet caibble sitting on the floor that they can't digest, and I drop a burger on the floor and I got two male dogs there.

24:22 Do you think we might have a little bit of an issue. Yeah, exactly. I mean, so it's not just impacting that's sex hormony production. But the digestive system, you know that which is involves the pancreas and the adrenal gland, as you mentioned, liver and kidney. You know, the liver, being such a large organ, can do a lot more tasks and doesn't seem to be implicated or challenged as quickly just because of its sheer size. Is that true? Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, so you know, and then you look at it, they say, like at the pancreas or pituitary or even the adrenal gland. These are tiny, tiny organs that have a lot of blood flow through them and need good nutrition all the time just to stay healthy. You know, a little one transporting all these enzyme and hormones and you know everything else. It's the body is I mean, I've heard numbers that there's like a trillion different biochemical reactions going on in a human body at any given second. Right it's you know, so realize this little thing that they say is not important is actually of really major importance. And I remember when I got involved in the industry back in the sixties and the

25:53 seventies. The Center for Veterinary Medicine at the FT in their publication said that spay and neuter cuts the lifespan of an animal by up to fifty percent. And when I look back in the fifties sixties, dogs were living twenty years or more, cats were living thirty years or more. And now you're taught in your continuous education that a dog over ten years is like an anomaly. Yeah exactly. I mean there's all the you know you bring up, I mean, which we didn't get into yet, but you know all the different cancers that are now acknowledged to be significantly increased in deudit or spade animals.

26:42 For example, you know tumors of the bone called osteosarcoma, especially in large and giant breed dogs. I mean, I wouldn't new to or a spay of those guys, because you know, one of the top cancers they get is bone cancer. And then there are other cancers. Prostate cancer an interesting one. Actually, I was taught in the early days of my veterinary training, and that's still today say erroneously that if you new to your animal, you'll decrease the chance of prostate cancer. And actually, I'd never seen prostate cancer in a non neutered male in my whole career. The incidence of prostate cancer is basically occurring in the neutered animal, so you know, and then there are other cancers. There's a cancer called hemangio sarcoma, which is a tumor of the blood vessels. And that's another one that's again significantly increased.

27:34 And if I had adult like a Golden Retriever or a you know, or other breed that's you know, a large breed that's prone to amanngio sarcoma, again, you got to think long and hard before you spay or neutered those animals. German shepherds, you know, certain breeds that come to mind, any breed, but you know certain ones have a high incidence of you know, cancer. So even lymphoma in some cases has been shown to been known to be increased. And lymphoma is the top cancer we see in animals today. So you know, the idea that spain and neutering decreases cancer, now there are you know, with female dogs, they're obviously the other argument is that they get less breast cancer, less memory tumors early spay or new to them, and that there is some you know, you know, if they're spade really young you know, there there's less hormonal influence on the memory tissue.

28:29 But to say that, you know, spang is the number one reason why dogs you know don't get memory cancer. I mean memory cancer, the incidence of it is increased by so many variables other than the hormones. It's you know, like you say, diet, vaccinations, pesticides, environmental toxins, all those play a role in you know, possibly developing breast cancer. So I think they play more of a role than just simply the sex hormones. So and then you know, in dogs, I mean most of the time I don't see malignant breast cancer in them. It's usually benign cystic ones at least sixty to sixty five percent of them. So again using that as an excuse why you want to spay a female dog, it just doesn't go over with me. Yeah. Well, I mean the other thing is too, when we're looking at these, especially a lot of the shelter dogs, and you know, and more so in puppies and kittens, the assault on their body, you know, when they go into when they're you know, they're dropped off or picked up or whatever it happens to be. You know, the immediate barrage of multiple vaccines, wormings, warming procedures, so called preventative drugs. Then we put them under anestege, we give them and you know, pre anesthesia drugs, and then anesthesia, then the surgery itself, and post surgical painkillers and and anti inflammatories and all of this in that very

30:02 very short compressed amount of time. The amount of recovery that the body has to try to go through. And of course immediately after surgery they're not going to be eating or drinking the way they should, so we're not getting nutrition to basically regrowth cells that have been damaged and some cases destroyed or removed. How does the body recover normally? Yeah, you put it very well, very difficult with that barrage. It's a tremendous amount of insult, insult on the body itself. And the fact of the matter is that these animals do survive and live is a testament to the creature itself, how magnificent the body he is to be able to adapt. Yeah. Yeah, And then you think of the animals that are neutered spade that are vaccinated at the same time, that's another I imagine them survived. They you know, they survive that, but they're damaged, you know, yeah, on a on a deep level, both dynamically or energetically and of course biochemically physically well, you know, and the interesting part is it take this a little bit further. Of course, usually they get those vaccines and everything upon intake, and then we're going to spand neuter them right away. And of course with the vaccine schedules

31:34 on these animals, they're being vaccinated one another two weeks after that. Yeah, you know, it's it's just one insult insult after another. And yeah, and it's all looked down in the quote unquote you know, for the health of the animal. Where again it's the only benefit of it, as I talk about, is you know, the in the shelter rescue situation, they're talking about herd health control. In other words, there are so many unwanted animals and neglected animals and animals on the street. So that's the you know, the battle cry for why you know you want to neuter or a spay your animals. So but that's looking at it from what we call a herd health perspective, Bill, and when clients adopt an animal and individual animal, we want to look at the health of that individual animal from a holistic perspective, and so the herd health mentality goes out the window when you're trying to you know, incorporate you know, holistic health concepts with individual clients that come to you and just want the best for their animal. They don't want to hear all the gibberish. But you know, so the herd health mentality of doing all those things spang and neutering them, vaccinating them at the same time, giving them wormers and drugs, you know, while they're in these stressful situations, all that does and then people come along and adopt those animals, and all that does is is set up the grounds for chronic disease to take hold. Well. The other part of that too is, and I know, working with rescues for over fifty years, one of the issues that

33:06 we sometimes listen to with the people that are doing this is we can't trust owners to do the right thing. My question to them is always why are you not engaged in educational programs that will help you know, pet owners, pet parents learn more about it. And I say the same thing to the veterinary community. Where is the education on the true education on animal health, which we know veterinarians are not really taught animal health, which is why there's all these problems with diet and you know, secondary issues, health issues that are caused by many and many of the of the drugs and procedures that they are done. But shouldn't that you know, When I first started these podcasts a long time ago, I was at an event and I interviewed probably eight different rescue groups at this event, and at the end of it, I finally got I got really really frustrated, and I says, isn't the job of a rescue really to take an animal from a bad place, help help them recover, and then move them to a better place, and educate an owner as to how they can make this animal's life better. And I mean,

34:36 I got blasted like you would not believe, you know, for bringing up that educational perspective. And I think that's one of the things that you and I try to do with this podcast and in our practice. We're gonna be right back after another quick break. We all want our pets to be as healthy as possible. My paleopet is the answer. Let us help relieve your pet of ear infections. Elegies, scratching and itching, diabetes, joint problems, cancer, and other ailments by providing our naturally raised, raw, cooked, or frozen biocomplete natural dieton trees that are custom formulated to be species specific and USDA approved. For more information, visit mypeliapet dot com. Are called nine five four nine seven one two five zero zero. Do you want to become a wholesale dealer or distributor of healthy and clean foods? Our friends and colleagues at Biocomplete Natural Diets and Herbs provide only the best USDA human consumption braid choice plus meats, poultry, and seafood. Our food comes from pasture raised and grass fed animals and we never add hormones, preservatives, or chemicals.

36:04 Are clean and all natural, species appropriate diets are made daily in small batches from local farm fresh dairy products. Over one hundred herbal and botanical herbal products are available by only the best, any clean. To learn more, called Biocomplete Natural Diets and Herbs nine five four four seven two one four zero four or visit Biocomplete Naturaldiets dot com. Okay, we're back here in a petthealth cafe to show where your Pet's Voice. This is build a Pet Health Guru along with doctor Michael dim my special guest host. You know, looking at that educational part of it, I mean I saw a statistic. It's been a number of years ago, but somewhere between sixty and seventy percent of households in the United States have one or more pets over you know, over their lifespan. And yet for the most part, pet care, animal health, even health human health is really not taught in our educational system. And I find that to be a sad fact, a really a failure in in that system. And I want to throw out a question that you know,

37:38 you you know, I know the veterinary community thinks it's horrible, But would you knowingly choose a procedure or a treatment plan if you knew that it was going to be life altering in a negative way? Oh? Not at all. Yeah, But yet this is what exactly is happening, isn't it? It sure is? And you know, you have to keep in mind there's an economic incentive obviously, for these are procedures that have been the bread and butter of mentional vet practice for many decades. So there is an economic role in decision making, which shouldn't be and you know it's it's uh, it's uh. Yeah again, my colleagues, I think it's just brainwashing that occurs at the vet school level. But at least with the Spain neuter idea, like I said, they're at least coming around to recognizing because the studies are all there. As we're talking about these different conditions that are increased, the studies are there that show that, you know, keeping the sex hormones has wonderful benefits. So you know, Mike, you know there it's changing, Bill, like I said, for in terms of that that aspect of it, but the rest of it, like you said, when there's no education of the guardian about how to keep animals healthy because it's all about you know, putting toxins and poisons into the animal and they're thinking that that's that's good

39:12 health and obviously we both know that that's not. So that's their idea of preventative medicine, not feeding good food. And yeah, that was the next thing I was going to I was going to bring up, is okay all these adopted animals that are out there and all these animals that the owners have been persuaded to do these procedures. Uh, there's obviously a number of ways that you and I have that can help strengthen the body, help it recover at least to a certain degree. And you know, of course we do it a lot through nutrition, species appropriate diets which are easy to easier to digest. You know, as I brought up to the illustration that when the endocrine system is damaged, it's not as easy for them to who digest food.

40:00 The digestive enzymes are thrown off. The extra stress and anxiety with a bad food because especially if you've got a you know, more of a pack or a pride type situation with multiple animals, there's a lot more competition for what little nutrition is available that can figure a lot of these stress things. And of course we can also use various homeopathic remedies which if you know, if you will, you maybe you've got a couple that you can, you know, suggest at the time for what bill homeopathic remedies that would help the body heal the energy of the body that's been spay or neutered. Well, I mean there are some remedies you know, for example and females that often come up when you alter the sex hormones and certain symptoms will come up, and that usually guides the homeopath But there are certain remedies like CPA, S E, p I A, and pulsatilla which often come in when sex hormones are removed in the female. In the male dog probably you know, there's a myriad of different homeopathics that might apply, again based upon the individual symptom right animal and how they're affected. But you know, it's it's definitely a challenge because you'd throw off the body in so many in so many ways,

41:30 and each animal is going to manifest that imbalance differently, so those animals would get different homeopathic treatments based upon those changes. But you know, those are a few of the remedies that I have in mind, mainly in the in the female. They've been showing to help with female typical problems as a result of spaying and neutering. Right. Yeah. Now on the on the other side of it, of course, you know we do lots through nutrition. Of course, that's just building up a strong immune system, but also know herbally, there's a lot of different herbs and botanicals that can help help the body restore at least some of this hormonal balance. They happen to have a jar that I've been using on my own animal that's a spate female obviously, and that happens to be the autoimmune because it doesn't because that traders on immune disease, doesn't. It absolutely does auto immune diseases or the number one class of types of the immune media disease is the number one chronic illness, that chronic disease tendencies that we see in our animals, next to cancer too.

42:43 Yeah, and of course we also, you know, at in the bio complete line, we also do uh, you know, thyroid blends and hormone balancing blends for both males and females because certain certain herbs have a tendency to like Maka is very very strong in helping female produced that you know, uh that estrogen and epimidium and the mail dogs with sasserone, and of course it's it's a blend of all all the sex hormones, not just one or the other. So there's a lot, you know, we have a lot of a lot of tools, a lot more tools in our toolbox, and we had twenty years ago, thirty years ago, of course, our knowledges increase a lot, and I know we're getting closer on time here. Maybe we can get a couple more of the questions that came in up and we can start to answer some of them individually. I mean, trying to watch them all at at while we're talking is sometimes stuff too. So is there a way to test for hormone balance and pets? You know what test would that be? I mean, we have ways of checking the thyroid in different ways.

43:49 There's ways of you know, there's adrenal hormone panels that you can check all those hormones, but you know, we vetinarians don't typically we don't typically measure those. You can measure estrogen to stosterone, but it's not routinely done in the in the in the clinical situation, unless an animal has a LOTT, you know, suspected to have low thyroid or a cat suspected to have high thyroid, then hormone levels are measured, or if they have suspected that cushions disease, then they look at the adrenals, the adrenal hormones. But you know, there's complete adrenal panels that include the sex hormones. But in general they're they're targeted for when animals are sick rather than wellness. Yeah, obviously, the one thing I wanted to mention Bill about the I know we're in the end. One of the things about is that, you know, the structure, the appearance of an intact animal is so much healthier than a you know, you affect those bones in such ways, and you know, you see an intact male dog and it's just their structure is the way it's supposed to be, and a breed, you know, as the breed was designed to be. And you know there's diseases or the bones in the joints.

44:59 We didn't really quickly mentioned acl tears or crushit ligament issues which are epidemic, and especially large breed dogs. Again, the sex hormones. Removing them increases that disease tremendously. So the bones are a big reason why we need to keep those hormones. Yeah, Okay, this this is one that keeps coming up to the client. Has he had a terrible time. It's a challenge, I mean, because there's so out of balance. Well, I mean cats that are female, that are indoors, that are you know, going through heat cycles. That's and they're you know, marking or spraying or you know, it's a normal physiological parameter. I mean, we have to keep in mind when we domesticate these animals, especially cats, they're indoors.

45:51 They're using litter boxes, which they're not you know, evolved not to really do. They're used to being outside and can move from one terror to sorry to another. So when we have these indoor animals and we keep their sex hormones and cats I'm talking about, you increase the likelihood of behavioral issues, you know, and it's hard to not it's hard to keep the sex hormones and a female cat I without getting some of these clinical issues. I don't have an answer, Bill, Maybe you do, because it's you know, it's a normal. A lot of these symptoms are normal physical you know, repetitive heat cycles are going to occur, right yeah. I mean it's just you know, we and up and in Spain won't necessarily stop that. I mean I get reports all the time that you know, spaded animals still have basically everything from you know, heat related type behaviors to even false pregnancies.

46:50 Right yeah, Okay, Now okay, then are intext well socialized and haven't tried to impregnant any bitches when it's ten years old, the others three years. It will be three years and two months. Yeah, that's normal because in nature, they're not looking to breed every minute. You know, dogs would normally come into heat maybe once a year, once or twice a year. Same thing with cats, and of course big portion of them. I know, we're done in the last two minutes here, But like in cats, when you when they find you know, strays, kittens, and they pull those babies, mom thinks that they're gone. Her natural instinct is to come right back into heat and repopulate. But if they were nursing for the four to six months that they really should be, Mom's not coming in the eat, right, And that's another thing that's part of it. That's that's uh, you know different. Okay, we've got a minute left here, doctor Dim. How can people reach you? They can go to my website which is doctordim dot com d O C T O R D y M dot com that has all my contact information email and I check email, you know regularly. Okay, that's great, and of course you can reach me at Petals Guru and at Petal's Cafe live and you know everyplace else and my Paleo Pet again, we fill these hours too quickly and there's a lot of a lot of information. Again, I want people to subscribe, to like and

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