The Problems with Therapeutic ("Prescription") Pet Foods

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0:44 To the Pet Health Cafe to show where your Pet's voice. This is Bill the Pet Health Guru, and I'm joined tonight with my guest host, doctor Michael Dim. How are we doing, doc? All right? Be nice to be here. Yeah, well, a lot of the distractions are behind us now that the election's over, and. Here we're gonna here. We are going to be talking about. Health, which is I guess it's going to be one of the focal points in the next year or so, let's hope. So anyway, Yeah, yeah, hopefully for the better, that's for sure. Yeah. That would be nice, wouldn't it. Anyway?

1:25 So again I want to tell people that if the chat room is open, they can go ahead and log in and ask their questions and make your comments. Go ahead and share and like and subscribe on whatever platforms you're watching on. Uh, let's get this message out. Tonight's message is going to be very, very important for anybody that probably has visited a conventional veterinarian in the last I don't know, a year, two years, three years, because it seems that these there's a major push and uh, doctor Jim, you'll be able to really help us out with this I'm pushing when are known as therapeutic diets or prescription so called prescription diets, and uh, it's it's like nobody can walk into into an animal health facility now without having a kind of jam down her throat.

2:21 Yeah, no, absolutely, I mean, look, they've got maintenance diets in there for everyday living, you know, from uh you know, for all the all the breeds. They have large breeds, small breed. You know, they have all different breed sizes. Now specific bag foods for for you know, different breeds. But now, of course we're expanding into the area of of of course prescription foods, which means that diets that are formulated for various clinical health conditions that are animals face, you know, so whether your animal comes in for chronic skin or ear disease, or digestive issues or urinary tractive issues or you know, behavioral issues, cancer seizures. There's there's now diets for for everything. It's it's it's amazing. And I know we'll get into the discussion of what these diets are made from, but yeah, it's all specialty formulated synthetic diets to supposedly help animals with these different chronic conditions.

3:27 Well, one of the things I mean, and I know that just to carry your license and that sort of thing, is as a doctor of veterinary medicine, you have to keep up with certain educational requirements and that sort of thing. What's really being taught on the nutritional you know area and continuating education or even into that school today, I don't think. I don't think the schools have changed very much. But what about the continuing education. Well, I mean the continuing education, I don't really teach us about a nutrition. They just teach us about, you know, specific synthetic commercial diets that the pet food companies are developing for these various clinical conditions. They're not actually sitting down and telling us, well, this particular diet is necessary for this carnivore under these conditions because of nutrient A, B or C or D. So they really aren't teaching us anything. They're just stuffing us down our throats, you know, the recommended foods. Because the truth is that we get next to no training on nutrition in our medical school training.

4:33 You know, I think I got about a three hour course my third year of entery school. And you know that hasn't changed after all these decades. So veterinarians still are not trained well in nutrition, and we're still telling people, you know, what to feed their animals in the allopathic setting, based upon what pet food sales reps tell us rather than what's ideal for a particular meat eating animal. You know, it's interesting, you know, because I've watched this whole thing evolve. You know, I first, there's a question you just answered, But you know, I was part of the industry when basically the specialty diets first started to come out in the mid seventies, you know, with you know, several you know, major companies. Obviously it got involved ut and merely through buyouts, but they were started by small companies and but basically it's been nothing more than a take off of what was conventional.

5:39 Dry foods. Just changing a few ingredients and putting it into a fancier bag with a you know, a name, and having you know, convincing somebody with a white jacket to push it. There's really not a whole lot of difference between most of these, is. There, No, not at all. You're this marketing bill is clever marketing with some pre bags and great verbiage, but not really much of a difference. Now. But one of the things that I found interesting, and I told you, you know, when we set up this, you know, this show, is there's a couple of things that I've really noticed that really I.

6:23 I took some concern to. First off, when I look at what's being offered in the therapeutic diets that are being pushed by the veterinary industry. One particularly class of foods that I found particularly missing is there is no offering for a health food or a health diet. It's all addressing so called symptoms, symptomatic issues for whatever might have been and suspected upon an examination or a client's concerns, but nothing just like, hey, you know what, you want your dog to be healthy, you want to get to be healthy.

7:09 I don't see any of that to you. No, No, not at all. No, you're right, right, Yeah. It's like it's very concerning to me. But the other thing that really concerned me is a heavy push on prescribing these therapeutic diocees, so called prescription diets, And basically, I look at it is that. That industry that's pushing them. And I mean I've seen where the emphasis is with these companies as well. It's more on that therapeutic side than on their general diets that are in mass markets or specialty pets stores and food stores and things of that nature. But basically, they want all of our pets to be sick, don't they.

7:54 Yeah, that's exactly right. They want to be sick so. That they can make a food or a drug or a medicine to address that problem. It's all one big marketing chain bill. It's not about health, it's about sickness, and it's you know. I mean, I can't rep but I've been in this business too long. I just can't. I can't wrap my head around wishing that my clients animals get sick so that I can give them a food and you know, in our case, a good you know, a good diet or an herb or in your case, of homeopathic remedy or something of that nature, just so that we can make money. I mean, it's isn't it about the animals overall health and not only the animals health, but the health of the owner where we don't have to stress out and be worried about Number one, is our animal healthy? And number two, if it's diagnosed with anything, how am I going to pay for it today?

8:53 Yeah? Yeah? The prices are astronomical for managing these chronic diseases in our animals here one hundred in right, Bill. So, but these foods they certainly are you know, priced way out of bounds. And you know it's it's really you know, like you said, back from the seventies, you know, there was one company right that had you know, a brand or two for an upset stomach or for you know, a skin or a kidney issue. And now it's like these pet food companies have tremendous variation of complex formulas that they say are better for our animals when they have these various clinical conditions. And you know, typically it's would be what's called the novel protein diet.

9:41 You know, that was always the typical. You know, way of kind of trying to solve something, let's say related to the skin or the digestive tract. And so the companies would come up with, you know, proteins that animals hadn't been exposed to before and many decades ago, remember you usould just be lamb, right, Lamb was the only protein, and that's what they said, Oh, we don't see laminar foods. But now there's so many poor quality, you know, meats that go into these commercial foods that now the novel protein has extended into you know, all the exotic animals that we've gone over in previous shows, from right, kangaroo to ostrich to alligator to you know, all these different quote unquote novel proteins Buffalo, I mean, I mean, yeah, the list.

10:32 Goes on and on and uh. And so, you know, these novel proteins are a big thing of a big, a big intervention of my conventional vet colleagues to try and solve these chronic diseases, which really this, you know, to solve them is quite simple, as we go over very often on many of our shows. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's you know, first off, you know, again we go back to the fact that we're feeding a single food for their whole life, and that's one of the issues that we really, you know, have a major problem with because the body's dynamic, it's always changing, it's always going to need something different. But I saw, I saw a question pop up here about does it does kin these diets actually.

11:19 Cause a problem? Yeah? Can they cause more harm to pats? And I wanted the part of this in my notes here because I was all over the place with us and so I needed you know, I don't usually work with any notes, but there are just so many parts and pieces of debate that I wanted to make sure I covered it all. The number one cause of almost all disease, probably all diseases is stress. And you know, of course then we look at the toxicity and the deficiencies below that stress level. When we look at that, when you start feeding a wrong diet, a wrong food product, adding chemicals to it, basically the body goes into a stress state because now it's got to make something of these foods that went in the body. How do I digest them? How do I break it down? Is there any nutrients? If they are, where are they? The body is stressing on all this stuff isn't It.

12:19 Absolutely is, And you're right, you hit the nail on the head. I mean, it's stress is the number one word here. And of course when we put that stress on the body, we're affecting the whole you know, liver, kidney, adrenal gland system, you know, the endocrine system, and that toxicity leads to that prolonged stress leads to disease in these other organ systems, you know, and certainly you know, whether it be the liver, the kidneys, or the endocrine system, you know, we usually will see eventually adrenal gland problems, thyroid issues, pancreatic issues. I mean, the list goes on and on just from that one word that you mentioned.

13:00 Yes, yeah, I mean, it's. No matter how you look at it, we're putting the body into an unnatural state. And you know, I've been listening to a couple of podcasters out there that are pushing the therapeutic diets, and of course they're talking about ingredients, particularly that you know, the. People like you and I. We we're looking at the ingredients, the fresh foods, the living foods, the most natural, species appropriate diet. They're looking at nutrients from strictly a biochemical standpoint, and number one, when we're looking at it strictly from that biochemical standpoint, you're not looking at living food. You're looking at playing chemistry set, aren't you.

13:48 That's right. Yeah, there's hardly anything living in these synthetic diets. I mean they might look wonderful on paper to the manufacturers and of the clients, but you know, again, I think one of the readers asked the question of the viewers asked the question, if you can't understand the ingredients listed on the pet food label, then it's probably not something we want to be giving to our animals for sure. No. I mean, that's that's definite. I mean, you know, we have to look at the number of you know, ingredients. I mean, let's face it. You know, even if you're looking at just the ingredient label, which is one of the common things that they talk about when they're pushing the therapeutic diets as well. When usually conventional pet food, you know, everybody's looking at, you know, is meet the number one and number two or number three ingredient in it?

14:38 But that doesn't mean it's good, you know, and that you know, when they cook it, it doesn't really destroy all the nutrients, and these chemists know how to rebalance in what's been taken out by the cooking process, and you know it's much more available, and you know it's it's such be asked when I listen to the stuff, and you know, and I hate to have to put myself through it, but I you know, you have to know what the hell they're talking about out there because we have to be able to counter it. You know. It's it's first off, when we look. At that mono diet, basically that one food for you know that they're giving you that's going to create an imbalance no matter what happens, because the body is dynamic.

15:24 What you needed to eat today or what I needed to eat today, or two totally different things. How can it be the same? Right? You know, how do you compensate for that if you only have one entree? But the other thing is is one of the questions you know, when Okay, your dog, we're gonna put your dog on this diet. Okay, we found something not wrong with your animal, but they're predisposed to it or this breed has. So therefore you need to be on this. How long does this animal have to be on this one entree according to the veterinary industry. Right right, yeah, I mean how long does it have to be on it?

16:05 If they want you ont it for life? That's right, that's right. You know they have to keep selling you that bag after bag, you after bag, you after can after can, That's right, the. Same ingredients day in and day out, week after and they're toxic ingredients. And and like you said, I mean, it's as far removed from an ideal rotating protein diet that is essential for good health that there is. So it's like, eventually, even if the protein isn't and you feed the same thing over and over again, the body that got is going to develop a reactivity to it, a hypersensitivity to it, and then you're going to get a leaky, imbalanced gut, and then that leads to all sorts of other systemic issues. So feeding that same protein over and over again and that same ingredient is hardly a recipe for good health.

16:53 Well, that's that's in that part of what actually creates that imbalance, which creates the deficiencies you will, and naturally, in many cases, because those are synthetic forms, you're building up a great deal of toxicity in that body at the same time. So you've got both toxicity and efficiency all rolled up into one nice little nugget of cook something. Yeah. Yeah, And you know, and and then even in the diets that aren't just one protein, if they're just you know, if you look at the quote unquote urinary diets, right, I mean, those are just mostly processed grains, you know, at grain extracts and other synthetic chemicals in there, added to you know, formulate a specific pH of the urine that the that the pet food companies are trying to get so that you know, animals tend not to develop crystals or stones, but it's all so synthetic and toxic, as you said. And and even if it's successful at ban dating a problem, I tell clients this temporarily, the long term price tag like we're talking about here, is just tremendous on the whole body's health. Animals started on these prescription urinary diets for crystals and bladder problems, those are the animals I see that develop premature kidney failure early on in life. So there's always a price to be paid from these toxic synthetic you.

18:24 Know, you know, I mean That's an interesting one because I actually made a notation on that kidney diet as well. When you're looking at that. Those foods that are supposedly formulated for it, those foods don't take into consideration the causes of that kidney failure, do they? No, No, not at all. I mean basically don't. Isn't it just a urinary type blends and a kidney blends, you know, will add extra salt so they drink more in a pemre yea does that su problem? Or they add like what DL and the thianine, you know, some amino acid so that the pH of.

19:06 The urine goes a certain way. Yeah. Yeah, it's just all synthetic manipulation of the foods of these animals. And as I said, it's just it may bandiate it very briefly, but the you know, and and then just the health of the animal if you look at their their coat, their skin, their digestion, it all just suffers tremendously from just feeding these synthetic diets that were developed just to you know, band aid a particular weakness and not addressing the causes at all, which we talk about all the time on the show. I mean the causes of these chronic diseases, which usually is the same group of factors we look at and in many in many shows.

19:50 Yeah, it's it's you know, like you say, I started, you know it before we go to the break here, that it's just you know the fact that they want to have have and this is the pet food company. And of course I don't know how deeply the veterinary industry is buying into it, but the pet food company wants your animal to be sick, and so I can sell this diet. We'll be right back after this quick break, and I got a lot more questions for you. Does your pets suffer from allergies, cancer, digestive issues, for joint and skin problems. These can be from poor nutrition, and my Paleo Pet can help. Don't let your pets suffer for poor diet and nutrition. At my Paleo Pet we provide fresh human brain USDA approved biocomplete raw food entrees for dogs and cats. Whether you're looking for healthy food for dogs or natural herbs for cats, we provide you with exactly what they need to live a happy and healthy life. Our raw food for pets surpasses traditional raw dog food and cat food that you find ingram Life local pet store. Our raw food is made fresh on the premises, source from local suppliers, and are made with only the utmost quality with specific nutritional and functional benefits.

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23:23 You're going to look for. Somebody that's referring a holistic veterinarian, which that's a very very broad term, as you know, and they're not looking there is no classification basically for people like myself. What am I I'm a you know, you don't look for a pet nutrition is for the most part, people don't even realize that there is such a thing. You're not looking for a food specialist for pets, you know, so they have to go to people like yourself. And of course there there's a lot of at this moment in time, there's a lot of celebrity vets out there that are claiming to do what we do. And it creates a little bit of a problem with the consumers because you know, most of them are trying to come out with their own products, which is doesn't more than an extension of this mono diet, not so much therapeutic, but their own formulation that they're that they're having made of, you know, one or two diets, one or two freeze dried foods or drive foods.

24:36 I was just going to mention that I see I'm watching on Fox TV the other day and there's a famous veterinaria and I know for many decades retired there right on the TV. The I don't know if you saw Pushing, I mention the name Pushing the it's freeze dried, it's freeze dried diets you know, so it's it's yeah, you have all these these sudden you know, it's it's it's come so far Bill from you know, when my teacher, doctor Pittcaron wrote his first edition of his book, which I know his diets weren't ideal from your you know, obviously that's a whole other discussion. He was one of the first people in the country several decades ago to preach a raw diet or our animals.

25:17 And back then, what did you have. You had to go to the store and buy the meat and chop up the you know, grind up the bone and do it yourself. And just look how far I mean, it's it's it's good and it's bad. But it's how far the industry has become and so much quote unquote new you know ways of feeding a fresh diet, and there's so many you know, misinformation out there as you go. Over all the time. And so it's really I mean, you know, technology and advancement, you know, comes with its price tag. Yeah. One of the things, and. This kind of goes back to what we were talking about, is when they're formulating these these especially these therapeutic diets, and you know, they accuse us.

26:01 Well, we're looking at the ingredients. You know, you're looking for the meat, and you're looking for the carnivore palaeo diet and that sort of thing, but that the nutrients are much more expensive, are much more important. But when you're looking at the nutrients in these foods, they're not the food. These are some basically supplements. They're they're the ingredients, are actually additives, not actually the food. And you have to ask yourself, what is the food? There is no food in these diets. Right, right, And you know when I look at it, I also I've and this has been a question I've had in pet foods forever. Why is it that if these are such great foods, these great ingredients they put into pet foods, why don't you.

26:50 See them on the supermarket shelves for us? Yeah? Good point. You can't buy corn gluten meal cant by. You can't buy. Hydrolyzed chicken at the butcher shop, getn't you? Oh no, I was just gonna mention. You can buy hydrolyzed protein for our infants and our toddlers. Right, it's right in the in the synthetic milk aisle. Right, those are those those milk products that they've developed for calagy kids from hydrolyzed protein diets. So that's one exception, you know, for you know, that's kind of where I think the vendary industry kind of came along with their idea of the hydrolyzed, broken down synthetic protein, you know, was from the human industry, that side of the industry where you know, like you said, for the form of the infant formulas.

27:40 Well, it's interesting that. The only foods that are really regulated by the federal government, by the FDA, are infant formulas, right, So the government is telling you that that's good, not the consumers, not mother nature, if you will. Of the things I wanted to I want to insrupture because something that just come up, and a lot of these diets are actually labeled like this is the is the reality of if the product of the diet says with or and the ingredient such as you know, a dog food that is.

28:25 And this is web major. Just to give an example, I'm not gonna mention the manufacturer, but on their label the food is labeled as lean muscle. Support with real beef with real beef. Now, the requirement. For that using that term with is that it must be three percent or. More of the diet. That's it. Wow, three percent Okay. Now you also have to understand that with real beef, if it's saying beef that is in the wet form, not in their drive form. So actually that diet contains less than one percent real meat when all is said and done.

29:15 Yeah, amazing, isn't it? And of course I have to go back then and we have to explain that dogies and cats are carnivores, you know, they need that. One of the things that you talk you know, when in general will mention a lot of these diets too. You talk about the novel proteins and the different proteins. But the diet isn't about protein. I mean, protein is a small portion of the foods. Even when you look at meat, meat is only about eight raw meat is only about eighteen twenty percent protein. Right, we have to look at the whole plethora of vitamins and minerals, the enzymes that are in raw foods.

29:57 And of course what's probably more important. Then that protein content is the fatty acids, the fat, the type of fat, and if if it's a metabolically usable fat, because basically dogs and cats. Most carnivores burn fats, ketones, not carves, not sugars, right right, And yet the fat kind of get pushed off to the side, don't they. Yeah, they sure do. That's an excellent point though. Yeah. And of course, you know, one of the things you mentioned with the animals that are on these diets, you can tell that they're on these diets just by looking at the skinning coat. Where does that Where do those fatty acids get used to a great extent, Absolutely, skin coat joints, you know, joint health, all that stuff. I mean, there's omega threes.

30:50 And nines are so they're I mean, they're vital, aren't they. They sure are. You know you mentioned the organ systems, the brain, the heart, you know, early organ systems, the joints. Yeah, I mean, if. We don't have that, they don't have that balance of omega three, omega nines, you know, you're gonna have unhealthy, unhealthy body systems, you know, in those areas. So, and of course the other thing is when we look at those fatty acids, you can't put those into a dry food without a. Ton of preservatives to keep them from turning rancid. Right from the cooking, from the heating. Yeah. So yeah, And of course the cooking process breaks that down tremendously. And I know on the average therapeutic diet there are sometimes six to ten different cooking processes before the final product.

31:43 Absolutely. Yeah, they say it's not a problem. It's not a problem. Ask your veterinarian, you know, don't We don't know. We just I guess I recapitulate what they tell us that I don't go to these meetings anymore. For the most part, they actually came up with the past few years that vets don't have to go for the past year that uh, in Florida, you don't need to go for continuing education on this stuff anymore. I don't have to sit there and watch this stuff. You know. It's it's it doesn't make any sense if we want to healthy animals, does it to be following these these these so called practices that are supposed to be practice.

32:27 How many times do you get a client bill comes in, I'm sure to the store, I get them all the time. Well, my animal has to be on the specific urinary diet. What can you recommend form me warm meat wise? That will mimic that right that they we get all the time. Yeah, that we we need to come up with our own prescription raw meat diet. That is for the urinary or the well. I mean see, I mean because I have the kitchen behind me that I could just go in and get their diet. I could literally go back and then okay, I'm on this diet. Okay, we look at the ingredient label. I can how much you feed. You're feeding a pound a day. I can go pick up one piece of strew meat and put it in a dishes. That's that's your meat equivalent to what you're feeding today. I mean, it seems ridiculous, but that's really what it is, right.

33:20 You know, you can't substitute on a ingredient label a specific meat that's going to cover what the corn is, or what the barley is, or what the soy is. There is no equivalency there at all. And this is crazy. It is and it's and it's expanding. As I said, it's not just like I said, you know, twenty thirty years ago, it was just you know, one one version of a skin diet, one version of the GI diet, one version of a kidney die now there's these companies of books. I've seen binders, you know, of different food formulations that they've come up with, and I don't even follow it anymore. It's just like you know, I I I go back to, like I said, the simple ones where I remember kd id ud you know those kind of ye.

34:19 The other thing is when you look at even those and you're under a minute here before the next break, But when we even look at those, those ingredient panels change sometimes from printing to printing. Yes, And I said it that. Way because the way the pet food law is prescribed, if you will, is that you can change the formulation depending on what ingredients are available, on prices and stuff like that. But if you still have. Bags from the old with the old ingredient label on it, you can keep using them until they're gone. So you you really have no idea what ingredients are really in that bag at any given point in time, which is really disturbing. Where against another break here and we'll be right back after this quick announcement.

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36:35 To learn more called Biocomplete Natural Diets and Herbs nine five four four seven two one four zero four, or visit Biocomplete naturaldiets dot com. When we're back here in a petit healthy fae, you or your pedit Voice. This is Bill the pedals Guru along with doctor Michael dimm and we are discussing diets and specifically therapeutic diets. And it's again I want to remind people that can jump into chat here. I know we have a couple of questions we probably still need to get back to when if they pop back up.

37:22 I mentioned that about the the foods with the with an and equivalency. I just looked up the numbers. If you were to feed a thirty. Pound dog normally, it would have about three cups of dog food a day. The manufacturer is only required to include an estimated zero point three six ounces of real beef. In three cups of food. Now you know we're looking at this, I mean the deception of the manufacturer of the food. And then you've got a an industry, if you will, the veterinary industry that claims to be animal health perpetuating the benefits of this diet. And it it it just doesn't register with my brain. How how in good conscience a corporation can do this, even even an individual veterinarian. I know you have your conflicts with a lot, you just you just kind of keep yourself but it's got to bother you.

38:38 It sure does, you know. I mean, not to mention Bill, you know, whenever we're feeding these synthetic grain based diets, I mean the amount of inflammation that occurs in the gut just from doing that, and as I mentioned earlier, the the tremendous imbalance and dys biosis as it's called, that occurs. And when that gut is imbalanced, whether it's from these foods or vaccines or any other chemical stresses, what happens is it opens up the whole gateway to the body for systemic disease elsewhere biochemically. So you know, we look at it from that perspective too. It's just it's the quality of the ingredients and then the inflammation that it's creating when they're fed.

39:21 Yeah, well that is what we opened up with too. I mean, it stresses the major cause of disease. And you know, whatever cause the inflammation obviously stress the body in the first place. To create that inflammation to try to repair or compensate, isn't that what the inflammation is really trying to do? And so why do we keep why do we keep doing this to our pets? You know, I listened to some of the supplement ads that are on the radio and on TV and that sort of thing with they talk about dry food is dead food. So I add this from my dog anxiety every day and he really really loves it. And I have to stop and think, if you know it's dead food, if you know it's garbage food. I know you're hawking this supplement over here, but why would you continue to do that?

40:17 Right? Right? Where's the common sense? Where really where's the compassion of the pet owner to do the best for. Their animal right? I mean, you know we. Look for the best in the olders, and I mean I know you have it whenever you have a consultation, I have to go through the same thing. It's they are. They've been programmed so far. To the abstract if you will, that the animals can only eat what comes out of a bag or a box or a can, that they have no But we're seeing the same thing with our kids today too. You know. Unfortunately, you know, our whole food system.

41:00 I mean that's a big part of what was going on even during the election that he's talking about. You know, the foods that you know. The the food ingredient labels, for any given food in the United States compared to what's in other countries Canada or Europe or that's really I saw podcasts this morning talking about the FDA going to start to go after some of these food additives. There's over ten thousand ingredients that are in our food supply, not just pet supply, but you know pets, because it's going to be an area as well, but in our human food supply in the United States that are never listed. Ten thousand ingredients, most of which.

41:44 Are harmful chemicals. Wow, that's amazing, the sheer numbers. And it's you know, when you. Look at it, if you look at okay, let's look at these therapeutic ties, the so called number of dollars that they've invested to come up with these things that they should be be they should be so much superior to you know, and you know, give your dog a bone. You know that diet, I mean, you know, the original you know row who diets. And yet when you look at results, when you look at animals themselves, you have to be able to tell the difference. You know, it's amazing, you know, it's a huge, huge difference, just like when you look at a you know, an intact animal versus a surgically sterilized animal. The body, the whole conformation the animals different. That's just from a hormonal factor.

42:40 When you look like you see the same thing. It's just the whole, the whole anatomy of the animal is different, and they're just they there's a different Yeah, it's different. Yeah, well that's what I mean. You know, I talk about that a lot when I'm know what I'm explaining to people because basically the emphasis on uh you know, the teaching in that school and even in the animal sciences today, there's very little emphasis on the on the true on what should be a good anatomy and what the true physiology of that animal is and you know, how the animal works. We've got a couple of questions that are popping up here that we should, yeah, we should, you know.

43:23 We should probably address the. Truth is thought that even though the commercial i mean, you know, they've been developing these diets for decades, our animals health is worse now than it ever has ever been, you know, atric so just look at it that way. We don't have healthier animals. So anyway, just looking back to. The question, yeah, I mean you look at the lifespan. You know, dogs and cats should be living twenty thirty years or more, and yet the average when you talk to the average veterinarian, it's. Six eight, ten years, twelve years. Maybe bioengineered in range. What do they mean by that? You know, that's a that's a good one.

44:04 I mean, basically, I just saw popped up on one of my feeds today about the pet food industry that they're seriously looking at the use of insects and cat foods as a main protein source. I mean, yeah, cantilely a bug now and then, but I think they're more interested in mice and rats and uh down here in Florida, lizards. Yeah, and and and it's funny too, because you know, for the most part, they they instinctively know what animals are as a as a predator. They know what prey animals are healthy and which ones aren't. They stay away from animals that basically aren't healthy, you know, like the bouffo frogs and things of that nature. They just instinctively know.

44:57 You know, those happen to be a problem with our dogs because they're deficient in the in the beginning. So they're looking for nutrients wherever they can. And it's not only just you know things like like toads and frogs and things of that nature, but how many of them are eating drywall and shoes and you know, underwear and socks and you know all these good things that veterinarians get to extract when they do you know, you know, intestinal blockages. It's like it's that's not something that that would normally happen in a healthy animal, is it. No, No, not at all. I mean, it's just the whole industry has just been monopolized and taken over by just huge business. Whether it's the foods, I mean, I just want to summarize with that, whether it's the foods or the you know the complexities of it, and even the ownership of veterinary hospitals all complex, corporate, complicated, profit driven.

45:54 It's just it's it's very tragic. Very said. So there's something stuff because we're in the last couple of minutes here, what would be your recommendation for somebody that's that's confronted with you need to feed. You know, you're in practice, so you have to hear it and you're going to have an answer to it. So I just give them my one sentence blanket answer which I've learned from you, in which I've said for years, which is feed a species appropriate rotating warm meat protein diet and ignore all the rest, and your animal will be here and you and you're gonna have a lot healthier than animal with a lot less chronic disease. Yeah. I don't know if you saw that last question.

46:35 Why do they like the dirty crotch of the underwear, that's the most personal part. It's probably got more enzymes and more secretions and other bodily fluids in it that are probably more natural than what they would find in nature. Yes, that's probably the only way we do it. We're in the last couple of seconds here. Where can people reach you and how can we make their pets healthier? I think go to my website which is doctor dim dot com d O C T O R D y M dot com that has information. In my practice, I see people locally in South Florida, and I also do tell them medicine nationwide and much of what we talk about in terms of health, both in disease prevention and treatment.

47:17 We don't have to really have to see the animal in person, so It's always great to meet the guardian and the and the animal. But a lot of what we do ABOILT is education and uh, you know, informing our clients. Yeah, I mean that's so so important, of course, you know, uh I you I work out of our sponsor for my paleopt I'm there. U it seems like when I'm in there, when we're open, I'm on the floor just uh just pouring out information and answering questions. And I'm was joking around with the girls before I left tonight that I've already done four shows in the store, so I'm ready for. The fifth one. Because the questions that I mean, they just keep coming in, coming in and coming in. And of course we are seeing a little bit of optimism that things are going to get better. You know, there's gonna be more emphasis on healthy foods, and hopefully that's the.

48:06 Direction we're going to go. With that being said, you know, another great show. I think a lot of information that people can take away, share what they're share with your friends, share it on all social media. And I'll be back again next week with another show. And thank you for watching, and thank you for listening. Good night, good night. Everybody does your. Pet suffer from allergies, cancer, digestive issues, poor joint and skin problems. These can be from poor nutrition, and my Paleo Pet can help. Don't let your pets suffer for poor diet and nutrition. At myplio Pet, we provide fresh human brain USDA approved biocomplete row food entrace for dogs and cats. Whether you're looking for healthy food for dogs or natural arabs for cats, we provide you with exactly what they need to live a happy and healthy life.

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