Rescue Challenges! What you face when you adopt and how to handle it.

0:12 Any health related information on the following show provides general information only. Content presented on any show by any host or guest should not be substituted for a doctor's advice. Always consult your physician before beginning any new diet, exercise, or treatment program. Then now it's time for Pet Health Cafe, where your Pet has a Voice. And here's your host, Bill, the Pet Health Guru, and welcome to the Pet Health Cafe to show where your pet has a voice. This is Bill Pet Health Cool Rule with my special guest host, doctor Michael dam How are we doing, Doc, I'm doing well. Bill.

1:04 Another week right, yeah, another week waiting for the thunderstorm to roll in. It's like fifteen minutes before the show, my computer flashed on an office like, oh no, that's what I need, right, Yeah, hopefully we'll be intact for the show. Yeah, well, let's let's hope. So you know, these thunderstorms that roll through every afternoon, it's like crazy, I know, and daily. Yeah it is. Um, before we get started, you know, for those listening out there and watching out there, Um, go ahead and share it with people that you know on whatever media you're covering, because the more shares that we get the wider spread gets and we go up in the algorithms, and we need to get these messages out for everybody. Also, you do have a chance a choice to weigh in if you want in our comments section, and we will see him up here on the show itself and hopefully answer some of your questions. So make sure you send any questions tonight. That would be really really great, because we're talking about a great topic tonight that unfortunately you and I have had a lot of experience with, not necessarily all the greatest experience this is it in the issues that we run into with rescue dogs. And you know, I know that you've you've worked in as a rescue vet and in many cases of course I've helped run several rescues and did try to do education and things

2:37 of that nature for almost forty years. And it's like it just situations just seems to get worse, doesn't it. Yeah, yeah, I really, you know, it's a really difficult situation all the way around. And you know, the stress on our animals that are coming from those environments is just is just endus and it's not getting any less as we go along. It's actually, if anything, the stresses are increasing, you know, over the years. Yeah. Um, you know. The first question you know, I always like to throw out there when I talk about rescues is you know, everybody said, you know, go and rescue, don't buy a pure bred dog, don't buy from a breed or dada da da, all of that. However, you have to ask yourself the first question, why are those dogs in rescue, especially you know, the little puppies. Okay, we had an unwanted litteral. But there's usually physical reasons why those animals are in rescue, aren't there. Yeah, yeah, I mean a lot of times there's health conditions that are pre existing that you know, guardians give up their animals. There's also the physical stresses of where they came from. You know a lot of them, especially down here in the South or from you know, tremendously stressful environments, you know, where the hurricane survivors and storm survivors, and they do bring with them all those physical stresses, not to mention emotional stresses, of course. Yeah, I mean it's true, and you know, I mean I find that with so many Um, you know,

4:13 one of the top reasons that dogs, especially dogs morse of dogs and cats. Um are you know, basically dumped at rescues. Is because the cause, one of the things that's associated is the cost of ri veterinary care is just so exorbitant that they can't afford to keep a pet in the feedom properly. Yeah. Yeah, it's so true. Bill the costs or through the roof, you know, even just not just the exam fees, but the diagnostic testing and the medical and surgical procedures. They're just gotten into the stratosphere. It's it's just it's no wonder you people are giving up their animals for lack of being able to afford their care. It's really sad. And it's it's epidemic for sure, Yeah, it really is. And you know, um, you know, we talk a lot about the veterinary trade today and the whole industry, and it's unfortunately it's built on money and you know, um, it's not about the health of the animals so much anymore, or the wellbeing of the owners. No, no, And it's um, it's becoming more I mean, I call it Frankensteins is becoming more complex more you know, more just haphazard drugs and things thrown at animals. I mean, I had a case this week that I think I shared with you one

5:43 of our clients. Unfortunately they're doing they went to a dermatologist, and the expenses and the tests and the drugs that were thrown a little dog's away, we're just you know, mind bombing and the expenses involved with that or you know, and leading to unhealthier animals you know, in the long run, of course, is just tremendous, and so you know, it really puts us in a difficult place when we're starting out. We want to raise these animals in a more empowered, less toxic way. It's it's it's so true. And of course, you know that brings me to you know, one of the main things is when you do risky one of these those you essentially have no clue what the history was, right, um, you know, I mean, so many came from an abused home. That's why he's so shy, that's why he's aggressive, that's why he has these behavioral problems.

6:40 But in most cases it's probably not even true. No, those are big assumptions. I mean, you know, there's so many other you know, stressors and toxicities that come into play with you know, animals that come with emotional disturbances and the assumption always as they've been abused, and you know there's no proof of that in them. Jority of the of the situations, you know, and I feel, you know, it's just really sad when they bring in you know, puppies and kittens into the into the rescue situation and then there you know, it starts right out with sexually altering them when they're removing their sexual organs at such young ages, you know, several weeks of age sometimes and right then and there, that stress in itself is enough to cause all sorts of chronic problems down the road. It's just amazing. Well, you know when we talk about abused animals though too. I mean you could look at it that a lot of these procedures that they do, the vaccines, um, you know, the spand neuters obviously um that dead abuse is basically you could you could make a case it's starting at the health level, which all rescues have ties to the veterinarian community, don't they. Yeah, yeah, it really does. I Mean there's been a little movement with some of the vaccine protocols. Ron Schultz people have probably heard me mentioned many times on this show, did some lectures or presentations on sensible quote unquote shelter

8:16 vaccination programs and you know, trying not to over vaccinate those animals that come into the shelters and they're just poked whether they whether they theoretically need them or not, which obviously you and I feel that they're not needed in the majority of cases. But from a conventional perspective, these animals are bombarded with vaccines and you know, Schultz has been on record saying we really should be running you know again tighters just to check there or whether they've been exposed or been vaccinated, and that way, we don't keep doing it because what they're doing now and a lot of these shelter situations is just pumping these animals full of you know, vaccines and most of the time they don't need them at all.

8:58 Yeah, and you know, I mean, and you know, you can probably make a better case for the you know, the puppies are the kittens that come in that obviously probably were not vaccinated at all. But when you get into some of these you know, a little older animals, you know, who knows, like I said, because we don't have any records on them most of the time, and even if a note owner was good enough to drop them in, most of the rescues don't even look at these records. They just jump in. They just jump in, and it's like, Okay, we gotta do these vaccines, we gotta do these worming protocols, we gotta do heartworm We've got to do all kinds of flea treatments. Whether they got fleas or not. You know, it's you know, if the animal comes into it. You know. We did a rescue, oh god, probably twelve fourteen years ago, a bunch of yorkeys that were set to be put to sleep, and we ended up with fifteen dogs come in.

9:56 They were all loaded, they were all totally with fleas, and we just took a natural that's basically natural based flee shampoo, shampooed them all, blew them out. They were gone. There was no extra treatments had to be done. When they hit they hadn't eaten it because they were scheduled to be euthanized on a Monday night. They came into the shelter on Friday. They weren't fed all weekend long. Why waste the food, because we're just gonna put these asleep. And we received them sometime it was late Tuesday afternoon because it was like a twelve hour drive, that twelve fourteen hour drive to get them to us, and I just took the raw food, put it down and not a single one refused. Can you imagine that? You know?

10:48 And no, you know, we didn't have major problems with you know, chronic diarrhea or anything. You know, we just started them out. Okay, they're at this point. One of these were older animals too, so we just you know, we just did the complete switch right and the you know, we started adopting out it. I think two or three weeks of going through all this stress traveling. I think it was about a thousand miles, you know, and they just recovered. But again you have to go back to why were they in a rescue in the first place. These were all your keys. Yeah, yeah, I mean they're given up for various reasons. You know, a lot of times it could be health issues in the family, um, you know, elderly people that can't take care of them, or that pass away. Often animals there are given up into shelters and I at Table I had also firsthand experienced several years back, I worked at a at a local rescue group up in Jupiter, and I was just I couldn't last there very long because I was just you know, floored by that Every animal that came in was just you know, bombarded with you know what we're talking about here, And you know, I saw diseases in the in the shelter that not shelter, in the rescue places where. You know, I never see those diseases out in clinical practice, whether it be in a conventional practice or a holistic that practice. In other words, all

12:20 these stresses that are put on these animals ironically make them more susceptible to you know, the various diseases they're trying to protect them against, and even others. I mean with cats, I mean the only clinical f IP in cats I saw was in shelter situations, rescue organization situations. Never really see it out in private practice, because it's a it's a it's a it's a disease of stress, of poor nutrition, of poor hygiene, and you know, these animals again are all treated the same, They're all treated like herds of cattle rather than individuals. And whenever you get into that situation, and you're going to have problems with individual health, as you and I both know, right. Just so a question that had popped up there, I don't know if you saw it or not. Is it good to get an animal from a rescue? Well, that's that's a loaded question because you know, obviously you're going to if you're if you have the mindset to be able to do the right things, Yes, it's a good thing to do because obviously you're going to save one more life. Um. And you know when you look at on a you know the debate between breeders and rescues. You know, breeders aren't going to just don't just normally put out a ton of animals because the market had They have to be able to sell that. And if there's no demand for that particular breed or you or that from that particular breeder,

13:50 you know, it's like it's not worth my time and the effort I have to put in to do a good breeding and a good rearing. So I'll just limit it to those few clients that really want the best, right right, And so yeah, I mean I often encourage clients to you know, I like you just said, I mean, it's a wonderful thing to adopt a rescue animal that doesn't have a home. But keep in mind that you have to be prepared that if you don't, you know, really do what you and I talk about every week on the show, that you're going to have most likely chronically ill animals from just the treatments and the preventatives that have already been implemented. So it makes it even more important for them to get started on the right track. But as I tell my clients, I said, it's going to take some time and patience and working through the detoxification and the house cleaning that the body does. And you know, it's a worthwhile venture, but you have to be prepared. It's not just you know, you go on a raw diet in a lot of cases and and everything just goes away. It takes time and patience and appropriate herbal therapies and homeopathic remedies to bring these bodies, these overstressed and overtoxify bodies back into balance exactly.

15:01 And of course, again because there's no records, we're you know you are and I are just really shooting blindly as to what we're even up against. You know, we do have some testing. You can can look at some blood work and see a few different things. I mean, you know, you're gonna look at the bloodwork and know that the dog has been fed nothing but dry food because uh, the mlase levels are going to be through the ceiling, you know, and the BUN is going to be low. U. You can see the ones that have had more more meat in their diet because the BUN levels are going to be higher. We can also do, of course, the hair mineral testing, which is going to show the toxic exposure to a lot of different heavy metals and how fast the body is getting rid of it and processing it. Um. But beyond that, there's really not a lot more that we got you and I get to look at, is there no, not at all? Like I said, very limited in the records we we get. And you know it's it makes it more challenging for us, that's for sure. Yeah. Um. And of course the other problem, one of the other issues that we always have, and uh we're about to tell you've got subens here, uh is of course so many of these animals are of mixed lineage, and it's like we don't know what breeds and you know, with a pure bred dog, you've got certain personalities and certain genetic or epigenetic qualities, uh, in their personality. You know,

16:33 some dogs are bread for you know, hurting and hunting and guard dogs and you know that sort of thing. So you've at least got some indicator as to what the personality would be. But when you can all these mixes and you know, these so called designer dogs, and now which is you know, atrocious? I mean, um, you're just again we're being set up as as a consumer for a just a big mess. Uh yeah, I mean that's that's absolutely said. Well said Bill, It's an absolute mess. And uh, you know, like I said, we have our work cut out for us. You know, I often say the the you know, the rescue mentality is. I mean, like I said, I've worked in these in these conventional rescues, is so automaton like it's without any thought.

17:30 Um, I never forget. I saw a case once We're a dog hobbled in and I want I said to the one of the people working, I said, what what's going on with that? Dough is like, well, he just he's a survivor of canine distemper, which we don't really see much out in the in the public out in you know, suburban urban raised animals and society. It's a it's a stress induced disease. But then they brought this poor dog right up to the to the rescue of ed anarian and he just poked the dog with another distemper shop which I just want to I said, how could you do that? How could you possibly give this animal that's already suffering from chronic neurologic problems, you know, a distemper vaccine.

18:11 It's just it's just assinine. That's why I could never continue to work in those environments. You know too. I mean, if the animals got distemper, the vaccine is not going to prevent nobody already has right and the same as your cats. I mean, the cats come into these rescue organizations and shelters with all sorts of upper respiratory conditions and diarrhea, and they're being vaccinated. They're actually infected with upper respiratory viruses, and then they're being vaccinated with the same upper respiratory viruses to try and quote unquote protect them. But you know they're they're doing the exact opposite. They're overwhelming the immune system and these cats are then chronic snot cats, I call them for for years, if not their whole life, unless they you know, change their unless the guardians change their protocols. Yeah, I mean it's like you say, it's kind of absurd, you know, because we know with all of all of other products that are inside those vaccines, that's only going to hurt the immune system to an on an already suffering animal. And you know what, are you going to give a painkiller or something else and numb the body? Where against the break right now, We're going to be right back in about three minutes.

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21:14 All right, and we're back here on the Pet Health Cafe to show where your pet his voice. This is build a Pet Health Google with doctor Michael dim And again i'd like to remind people who go ahead and share this and like it and you know, help us spread the word because I mean, just a little bit of information that we gave here on what you're up against with the rescue animal um you know, might open new channels for you to make a healthier animal. Is it a true it sure is. I mean that's the whole reason why we're here, is is education and information to make an empowered decision and to be aware of these issues we're bringing up and what we can do to help, you know, rectify the situation. Because it's not a hopeless situation. But as I said, there, when we get these animals and the challenges they face, it's definitely, um, it's definitely a battle. Yeah. And I mean one of the other things, um, you know that that I've always been champing is you know is a lot of the people involved in the rescue industry, um, Like I say, first off, they've got their veterinary partner, which is pushing the conventional UM approach to everything, which is not, in our view, uh, the ideal situation. But they they're just locked in UM and they're not looking.

22:41 They think because they saved saved an animal from whatever the wild or from a bad you know, a bad home or whatever, that that's they've done their job and now they just got to find a place at someplace else. And of course you've got the monetary end of that where they have to keep your doors open and they basically need to flip these animals as quickly as possible. Yeah. Yeah, and they and then they you know, their their ego, you know, they go on their high horse for the model of medicine that they're that they're attesting to, and the ego takes over tremendously. And so many of the people I've met, not that they're all this way and rescue medicine, but so many of them are all about, you know, like you said, hurting them out, raising money more money. And then they run these you know, these fundraising events to raise money and people donate because they want to give to these helpless animals. But sadly, I when I see a lot of these donations go into some of these practices, it just it makes me very sad. And you know, it's there's better ways of doing it. In fact, one of my homeopathic colleagues who practices out west, is affiliated with, like you know, which is possible a holistic, more holistic minded rescue where you know, the diets are fed appropriately.

24:07 I know, you you know, like you said, have experience with that, you know, many years ago. Yeah, I mean that's one of the things, um. And you know, I understand the economics in the rescue and that sort of thing, because I said, it can be very, very costly to operate. We've been there before, UM. But on the other side of it, like our sponsor, my paleopat and of course the predecessor of Felium, have offered many, many rescues that when an animal is adopted out, that we will provide at no charge their first week of you know, clean living diets. And I can't I could probably count on with the exception of one the rescue of course that we helped found UM, but then of other rescues that did it, I could probably count on one hand the number that have ever even offered that over the less fifteen eighteen years.

25:04 Right. Well, they're all brainwashed, Bill, and that's why it's it's really sad and tragic. But you know, they'd rather feed the process commercial junk, and you know, they've been brainwashed, just like people in the general veterinary community. And as I said, I find the rescue mentality more egoic than even my conventional vetinary colleagues out in the field. It's it's really it's hard to make a dent in their thinking. It's so ingrained, it really is. And you know, fortunately we've we've we've been building a clayentil over the years and I know you have as well of people that really do care that they have adopted you know, five ten different animals, and of course as soon as they do, they're in the CEU and I and get the animals started on the right thing. They're trying to spread the word as well, but it's it's such a rarity. And when they say that, you know, I mean the first thing, everybody as it. Well, you're you know, you go to you want to go some place right in public with it, with your new rescue wells he fully vaccinated. Every want them around my dog, you know. Um, Yeah, it's just that mindset built just like you know what we talked about during the pandemic, the COVID mindset. Ye, the same mindset. It's the same head where we really can't you try and talk reason into people and non fear and it's just becomes very difficult once that model and that fear based thinking takes over.

26:38 Yeah, I mean the other thing, you know, one of the other things too. And we started to touch on it here before the break um with different breeds and you know, the breed characteristics but a lot of these animals, because of the medical protocols that they've been through, um in their in their past and not having any kind of history. Are the behavioral issues, the training issues can be monumental, can't they. Yeah, And there's so many, like we've talked about, factors that go into that. It's not the quote unquote abused animal that it's that needs just a confidence boost. It's all these other factors that come into play. I mean, you know, how many of those animals have heavy metal toxicity. Probably a significant proportion of them. I know, it's funny. Of course, we just we just had the fourth of July, and of course, you know, I was getting the ton of phone calls and I'm sure you were, what can I use and knock out my animal? And you know, we gave some advice last week, and you know, the CBD and it stress and anxiety, and of course diet has a big thing to do with the whole thing.

27:45 And of course, my rescue dog that's here. I actually took videos that in the middle of all the fireworks and everything else, she was just wagging her tail and looking around the house like nothing bothered her. It's like, here's some This is proof that you know, a healthy body is not going to be upset about all these stresses and strains are they No, not at all. And that's great that you know what you describe. It's wonderful to see just an animal that's balanced and may look up and say, hey, what's that and then go back on their way, just being a loving, loving animal companion. Yeah, it was funny because I actually took and she was like sitting waiting for me, and I was in and out all the time, and when I actually went and in the middle of it, I went outside and photo and took a video of the fireworks going off.

28:41 But on the other side of that, I came back in and she greeted me with her toy with her tail wagging. I mean, so here I went with the door open, fireworks going on all over, and what she wanted to do for us to play rum. And as you said, there are so many other options to the like we talked about, you know, with the storms and the and the summer. There are so many other options for dealing with some anxiety that comes up in some of these animals. And we don't have to just knock them out or heavily sedate them. We have you know, tools like the herbs and the CBD oil and the flower essences, ny pathic remedies that you know, we really don't have to drug our animals to deal with atmospheric conditions that go on in Florida, not just on the fourth of July, but you know months on end with the storms.

29:30 Yeah, there was just a great comment on on on our scroll there yet that somebody that Hijackie anyway fluster dog that hit heartworms and skinny and dad shape mentally and physically. The rescue would have paid for food, but I wanted to feed wrong. The dog transformed. I mean, it's exactly what we talk about, right, I mean, it's just wonderful. It's just wonderful to hear stories like that. And you know, I want to encourage people who adopt kiddies that we can get the same results with our cats. Might be a little more challenging once they're hooked on that junk food, but you know, cats as well can really be transformed by just getting them off that junk and getting them, you know, detoxified. That's you know, I mean one of the first things I do when I and I know you probably agree. Is one of the first things I do when I see an animal with pages of pages of you know, allopathic treatment and drugs and shots and flea and tick and all those things, is we put them on a good detox protocol right with clean out the lymphatics and and just you know, those animals need that desperately as soon as they come out of those facilities. That's what I do. Yeah, I mean, that's that's the first thing we do. Everything is about detox, and you know, it's like how long do I have to do it? Well, when we look at the chemtrails and you know, the spring for mosquitoes and zeke and long chemicals and cleaning products and aerosol deodorizers and you know all the other household and industrial chemicals were

31:04 exposed to every single day, when do you need a detox? Fight out the them. Yeah, when do you? Or not? When do you're not right? Should be the question. So yeah, I mean, I we do get a lot of clients that say, you know, hey, how long do I keep this up? And you know, as long as the animal is still facing challenges with their health, UM really need to keep it up all the time, right, Well, the other thing and with detox. And this is what I don't I know that the allopathic community doesn't understand at all, but that basically all foods do two things. They bring in nutrients and they take out specific toxins. It's not like a general you know, detox thing. Different different foods do do different things. And if you look at especially the herbals and botanicals and do the rotation on those the same as you would on um. You know your protein sources and your your recipes on the foods you're cleansing every day, little different things and you're not building up because even on the back side of that, all foods bring good and bed to the table. They you know, so those have to be flushed out as well, don't they. Yeah, no, we're well put and you know, as as the body flushes those various toxins out, you know, symptoms will come up, discharges, eruptions, hotspots, you know, a little bit of an upset stomach. And we have to always,

32:35 I hope to always counsel clients not to give up. But that's part of the way the body restores health is through the expression of symptoms, and that's what we rely on to treat homeopathically. Yeah, it's you know, I don't want we don't want to suppress that. We don't want to doug as diarrhea. We don't want to just throw it on metronitisole. If an animal has an eruption, we don't want to give it a shot of Quarti zone or antibiotics. We want to assist the body and the process that is trying to do, which is to restore homeostasis, health and balance. Well, the thing is as a a lot of this stuff too. It's now become standard practice on the yellopathic side that that you know, you don't want your dog to suffer. Yea, I don't, you know. I've lived a long life, and I mean every time you go to the bathroom as a new experience, it's never ever it should never ever be the same anyway, because we're putting different things in our body. But I don't think that I would consider that to be suffering when my body's expelling stuff. No, and especially you just want to look at the constitution of the animal. And if you know, the animals getting some diarrhea that may go on for days or even a few weeks um you know, or even a little bit longer.

33:50 You want to look at how is that animal fewing? How is their energy, how's their vitality, how's their coat, how's their energy? You just you know, you don't want to just look at discharge or an eruption because you know, again that's the body doing what it's supposed to do. It's exactly right, and you know it's you know, we have to let it run its course. I mean just because you know, the dog may go off of food for a day or two, okay, over mind, or just be you know, curl up in a corner to sleep. That's part of the healing process as well, and that you know, we have to let them do it. We can't be seeing on the floor they're trying to force feedom We're at the break again, doctor, dam So we're gonna be right back. Does your pet suffer from allergies, cancer, digestive issues, or joint and skin problems? These can be from poor nutrition, and my Paleopet can help. Don't let your pet suffer from poor diet and nutrition.

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36:57 You know, we've covered a lot of stuff here, but I do have a question and I know the answer, but that probably most of the pet owners out there that are looking to adopt and that sort of thing don't realize. And you know, supposedly all these animals have got you know, very protocol veterinary care while they're in the rescue and when they come in and that they go through. And yet they're given basically a voucher to specific veterinary clinics and stuff like that for a free checkup. Why would they need a checkup? If they've been getting all this great care, well, I think it's a perception thing bill like everything else. In other words, you know, the animals are given all this care, and it's just a marketing tool to just say now you have to go and not have to, but we encourage you to go to your local vet and continue on with the care because obviously they want to be I want to indoctrinate them into a lifetime of of you know, the same protocols that were initiated in in the rescue environment. So it's like a teamwork, you know, with them, it's the one two punch, the one punches at the rescue facilities. And then of course then it's carried on by the traditional vet community. The education quote unquote, the brainwashing that goes into play, the fear, and you know, then those clients are leaving, you know, the conventional vet office sometimes with prescription diets

38:31 for life obviously with various various pesticides and all in the name of quote unquote preventing various diseases. And so it really is just a continuum of what was started in the rescue. So you know, it's too powerful, powerful group, that's for sure. Yeah, it's it's you know, I know, it's it's it's so much of the marketing because I don't think I've ever really seen it. You know, well I have because our you know, our clinic can answer thing, but very few animals that win for a checkup come out without any products being added on, whether it's another another vaccine and oh you know, yeah, you've got these bases over here, but we have to protect against this. And um, I know, I had one client that uh in the very beginning of Fiesta Peli, an elderly, elderly woman.

39:31 She came in Doug had so called allergy problems and we started switching to diet and everything else. And she doesn't know what to do. Every time she goes in, they tell her they have to change this, this and this, and she says, I don't know which products to use or anything else. She had. She had an assortment of different supplements and shampoos, topicals, all of that, and I said, well, bring them in and let's go through an evaluation from three different veterinarians. All three of them had the same exact products, but under different brands. Interesting, yeah, and she thought that they were all different, you know, it's I'm doing this. No, you have to have this brand because this one does so much better. You know. It's like, you know, you can't use sheer detergent on your clothes because Tide is better. With the medic you said, the medications, the topical ear medications. It's well, my vet gave me, you know, brand X and you know, and I'm confused the other you got brand gave brand wide. But to be honest with you, build they're all the same toxic soup. You know, They're all you know, they're all steroid, antibiotic, anti fungal agents, you know, sort of like the hammered looking for the nail and uh, you know, they have different names, so it becomes very confusing, but they're in essence, you know, the same group of toxins, just branded with different names.

40:58 Yeah. I like to comment that. Yeah, let's do judge you if you feed raw no doubt about that. Yeah. Yeah, it's really sad. I mean there's been a little movement here and there, but you know, the pet food industry pushes back with their brainwashing of veterinarians at meetings and in the in the veterinary school educations. But you know, with programs like this bill and what we try to do, I mean, we get the word out there, you know, even probably some veterinarians watching, and try to get into the minds of people that might be more open minded, and then see the success stories that you and I that we're seeing, you know, on the show here tonight with people chiming in and share those success stories and realize that this is a superior way of raising healthy animals. Yeah, and you know, and it's you know, no matter how good of a job you when I do in educating and uh, you know, trying to teach, not everybody learns the same speed. That everybody sees the different perspectives that we do, and each you know, each animal is different, not so much that you know, you know, different breeds of dogs should be really at different ends of the spectrum, but that we have, um, you know, this this grouping that things that aren't always going to go the way we want because again we don't have the tools and I dispose you're to

42:30 know. Okay, this dog, you know, unless we do the right testing, this dog is aluminum toxic. Okay, if this has got a lot of aluminum, it can't process calcium and if you can't process calcium, you're short and magnesium and manganese and phosphorus, and you still need to vitamin K two and the vitamin D all of that sort, and a bunch of hormones and enzymes being produced properly. And by the way that we ripped out some of those organs that make some of these hormones with a procedure called spaying neuter that has to be done. We have to fix the animal that's not broken. Um, so we you know, we have to work in the kind of the seams and as pet owners, when you have an animal as challenged like this, you have to watch for the subtleties and see how they're reacting to different stuff and not not panic when something's not right, but to say, oh, okay, there was a change in a slight change in behavior. What did I do different while I walked down a different street when I was walking in who knows what that lawn was was covered. We talked about the poisons a couple of weeks ago, and you know, walk your dogs on the lawes that have the most weeds at least those haven't been treated.

43:46 You know, stupid stuff like that. You know, oh, I took them to the golf course so we could run. Right what was he running into. I just got out of a house call before the show and I um up in palmb each where, very nice guardian where I looked at her twenty two year old cat, which was nice to do. Right as I left to leave the home, she pointed out, look at the grasses. Look at the this is an untreated lawn. And she had like natural species of grasses that had grown in the area, like different species. And you look at the area across the street perfectly, you know, toxic. You know, grass was treated and and hers, of course her vegetation was you know a little bit longer and bigger, but it really it was more varied and it was great to see, you know. And she says this area never treated and she was proud of it, you know. But unfortunately when we walk our dogs up those streets, you know, where we don't know. I mean, all you have to do is look at is the lawn beautiful and looks like it's perfect, and then those are the most treated ones. Yeah, exactly. Um, we're getting closer to the end of the show here again, is these hours just go buys so fast to mention about what you're saying. If a lot of times it takes for clients or even veterinarians to experience with their own animals really severe disease, cancer, you know, organ failure at younger ages for them to finally say, hey, wait a minute, maybe I'm doing something that all these years that really wasn't

45:20 in my animal's best interests. And usually there's a light bulb that goes off at some point that we have to explore another avenue. But I often find that a lot of times people find their way into my practice after they've had tragedy, you know, several times. Yeah, exactly, Okay, So doctor Jim, how can people get ahold of you? Well, they can go to my website at doctordim dot com and that has all of my contact information, My email address has some good educational information on homeopathy, and my contact phone number and I try and return emails on a regular basis. So you know, phone consults are welcome for those people outside and again to everybody, we want you to like and share and subscribe, get your friends to do it so we can get this word out. Of course, I can be reached, um, you know in a number of different ways, but you can always get me at um at my Paalio pet if nothing else works and we're out of time. Amazing. Thank you for listening, Thanks for the comments on the on the chat. Always glad to hear that. And let's come back again next week with another great topic. Good night everybody.

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