Lyme Disease... or is it? The True Facts!

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0:49 Just fighting off a little little cold, but I'm hanging in there. Yeah, yeah, for whoever reason. There's a lot of respiratory stuff going on around and you know, we keep talking about kim trails and all the spring that's being done, and of coursh now in South Florida because of the rains we've had, they're doubling down on mosquitoes and VIKA and West Nile spraying and all that stuff. You know, it's funny when I it was the other day, I you know, I don't know if you had this, if you have the same experience, but the other day I like, I felt like this sensation in my throat. It's almost like I feel the when it's coming on. I don't get these very often, but it's like, I feel like this little scratch in my throat. I swallow and I recognize, Oh my goodness, that's the start of it. And I really should have taken a homeopathic remedy right then and there and probably would have nipped it in the bud before it developed into anything. But you know, then I kind of waited, and then it went in, you know, a little sore throat up into the sinuses. Ye. I don't get these things very often, but it's certainly not pleasant. But you know, it's you know, like we talk about with the animals. It's you know, you look at these things, and it's the way our bodies do some discharging and house cleaning.

2:01 It's not old. It's not always looked at all bad. No, no, we can't do it that way. And of course, well you know, of course, you know the fact of the matter isn't so much of this stuff is artificially induced, and you know that doesn't make it any better, no, no, you know, but the ability to like fight off something and have symptoms, as we say in homeopathy as a sign of vitality. It's not necessarily a sign of weakness. So it's the opposite in our experience. It's homy paths. So I want to point that on the perspective into play. Yeah, exactly. So we got a different topic this week. We're actually gonna talk about a so called real disease that seems to be the hot button topic. I guess it's Lime disease month. And you know, in fact, it was funny. I was actually invited to a podcast that would have proceeded this show today from a doctor that I've never heard of, but evidently they you know, the universe kind of brings us a lot of things together, you know, like minds and stuff like that.

3:08 So it's like, Okay, somebody else is stealing our topic again. Yeah, yeah, that's true. But I think it's a good topic, especially as we head into the spring months, right, you know, that's when these things, especially in the northern part of the country and more temperate climates, when these discussions on lime disease and other tickboard diseases start, you know, taking center stage, often at the Venry clinic, the conventional venry clinic. Now, you know, looking through some of the symptoms and extort of thing and show prep and see it sounds like ten thousand other so called diseases, doesn't it. You know, the lameness with swelling glands, joint swelling, even kidney problems. You know, that's typical and almost every disease, isn't it? It sure is, And you know it's Lime disease is actually, as I know, we'll get into him, quite a controversial infection quote unquote. And you know my teacher, you know I mentioned on this show Pitcare, and you know, he often talks about how the organism that causes lime disease has never really been proven to make people sick from something known as concious postulates, which are, just to keep it very simple, certain principles of establishing that the causative agents of particular diseases and so what. And it's

4:44 kind of considered the gold standard of microbiology. So you know, those postulates I'll just mentioned briefly here is that the organism or in this case, the line bacteria has to be present in all cases of the disease, that it has to be isolated from the diseased host and grown in pure culture, which that's never actually occurred with lime disease, and the pathogen must cause the disease when injected or inoculated into a healthy, susceptible animal. So in other words, you know, we have to reproduce the disease and then re isolated from the animal that we injected into. Such fun things they do in laboratory, and the line bacteria has never been shown to fulfill most of those postulates, so in essence, from a purist perspective, it actually hasn't been shown to cause disease. You know, it's interesting too. I mean there's a lot of speculation that it actually was a man made bioweapon, wasn't it. Yeah, yeah, I mean that it was you know kind of what was that back in the eighties when the kind of crept onto the seventies eighties in someplace in there, and it came from what lime It was discovered in Lime, Connecticut. Yeah yeah, And you know, the fear around it was just you know, remarkable, you know that it was killing people and naming people

6:15 and causing all sorts of you know, problems quote unquote. But as I'm sure we'll get into, nothing can be further from the truth about what this organism really is and the syndromes that it causes or doesn't cause in our companion animals. Well, one of the things that I've also seen too. Of course, you know, everybody blames it the UH ticks for that, and but from what I understand and some of the research that's been done, it can be transmitted by a whole bunch of different UH in sects, including tim mosquitoes. Yeah, yeah, I mean, and not just the deer tech which everybody, everybody often points the finger at, you know, well, species of ticks, and as you said, the mosquitoes, you know, it's you know, well, you know, I think part of it too, if we get it. And we'll get into this a little bit later too, but when they get a diagnosis of lime disease, and of course you you know, well, yeah, I found a tick or two ticks on my dog or cat, and therefore that has to be what it was.

7:25 But you don't see the mosquitoes biting your dog, do you. No, very very true. And I don't know I bink the fleas or not, has it not that I'm aware of? No, Yeah, that would seeven very you know, I mean, they're all you know, blood suckers basically, yeah, yeah, and uh, you know, and they occur certain times a year, especially as we get into the warmer, wetter months and then into the fall. The peak peak of transmission of quote unquote lime disease is usually in the late summer, early fall, you know, getting into you know, September October. Um. It starts about now when the you know, immature, when the eggs are laid by the ticks, and then there's maturation into what are called larva and then nymphs and you know, these these little pests, you know, a lot occasion will carry you know, the bacteria that causes lime disease. Now, the thing we want to understand is that it transmission of the disease is not very easy. The ticks have to stay embedded in the animal for at least twenty four to thirty six hours. That's something clients often aren't aware of. Right. So when we see like ticks on our animals and we remove them, you know, the odds are that they're not carrying lime disease or your pet is not at risk word right, And no one of the things I know, you know,

8:56 because I spent years you know, basically doing work with the grooming industry. And one of the things that you know, in that late summer months, they will get dogs into the grooming salons with literally, you know, hundreds of what we call seed ticks, like especially in the feet. And it's interesting because you know, they're seeing hundreds of hundreds, everybody's freaking out. But at the end of the day they usually only find they may find one or two adults or subadults, right what happened to the rest of them? Exactly exactly? And you know, the thing to understand is, and I know we'll get into this also, is that the healthy immune system is they able to handle any quote unquote bacterial line bacterial load. So, I mean, these were studies done many decades ago that most animals that are exposed to line disease, in fact ninety five never develop any symptoms and never get sick.

10:07 So okay, um, well we know that that's true of course with most diseases, and you know, bacterial and fungal and parasite infections. Now you know, I've taken note you keep talking about it being a bacteria, but yet when so so much of the literature up there talks about it being a parasite spirit Ky, right, A spirocade actually is just like a parasite. It's it acts in a very similar way, and it preys on the the collagen in our body and the connective tissue um, you know, proteins of our body. And depending upon where it uh it affects, you'll get certain minor symptoms, not minor, but there can be significant symptoms. And the minority of the animals UM you know, whether it's affecting the heart or the kidney, or the joints, or the brain or nervous system, you know, those are more rare complications. And I know when you know, one of the things you know when you when you talk about lime disease is that you know, it's the same cast of characters that we talk about every week on our show that are why small percentage of animals do get sick from it. And that's the toxicity of our animals that you know, the conventionally reared animals that lead to the susceptibility to you know, the rare complications of lime disease exposure. Well, and that kind of goes back to the question

11:37 I often add ask, is so are the symptoms really the lime disease or is it symptoms of all that toxicity and bad lifestyle, bad food and all of that. I think it's what you just said, it's the latter. I think it's you know, definitely a sign of toxicity. In fact, as I mentioned earlier, you know, there's even question whether you know there's actually a parasitic organism that causes disease along the lines of the way microbiologists characterize it. So you know, it goes back to what we talked about during COVID, remember when we spoke about exosomes and toxicity and whether viruses are real or not. And so I do think I agree Bill that it's the toxicity of the animal. And when you start to do reading on lime disease, you'll see that a holistic approach looks at the individual health and lifestyle of the animal as why that particular animal might be susceptible to symptoms of lime disease, which, as you point out, is probably due to toxicity. You know, it's interesting now now, so if an animal soose certain symptoms and of course you start running different testing, isn't it kind of way the ellopathic model really works? Okay? If this is if I've got symptoms here and I find something in a test, I just blame it automatically. Yeah. Yeah,

13:09 And that's something that you know, a lot of my professors a PEN you know There's Pen did a lot of research on lime disease back in the nineties, you know, really talk about is that when veterinarians treat these lab tests, all the lab test means is that the animal was exposed to the organism or the toxicity that causes lime disease. It doesn't mean that the animal is clinically infected that you know, That's that's a big thing. And actually, how do they test for lime disease? I know it's a blood test, but I mean what are they really Well, they're looking for either antibodies to the organism that causes it, or they're looking at you know, our old tests, the PCR tests. They're looking for fragments of proteins that are present in the blood. And we all know that that brand of testing has a lot of limitations and false positives and false negatives. Right, Yeah, That's what I really wanted to bring up. Is it that it is?

14:03 It's still basically all most of the testing is now all going in that deresstion, isn't it. Yeah, yeah, it really is. And And as I said, there are so many veterinarians when I've worked in the conventional clinic, so many veterinarians that treat these lab results, even if the animal doesn't have a shred of a symptom, and they'll put these animals on several weeks of a strong antibiotic like doxycycling, which is not anything mild by any sense of the means. And you know, in most cases it's not even necessary, right, And then it was actually one of the things that I was going to ask you, what are the side effects of that? Well, of course we know what the antibiotics do on the gut flora level, right, And doxycycling is a very powerful antibiotic that inhibits inflammation but does other things to the body. I've seen a lot of cases of animals that have been put on that antibiotic that a short time after all of a sudden developed cancer, if you could believe it. And so I really do think it's wreaking havoc on the immune system. It's a it's a novel class of antibiotics that's different from others, and it has effects on the body that are far reaching, more than just killing you know, quote unquote bacteria or spiro keete organisms when it comes to lyme disease, and it's you know, a strong drug.

15:26 It's not anything to be taken mildly and so and and then when animals are going on these drugs, they're going on them for three, four weeks or even longer, you know, not just not just a week or ten days. And then some veterinarians treat animals with quote unquote chronic lime disease over and over again with antibiotics. What I mean, that's you know, that's that's my definition of insanity. I mean, I'm sorry about and you know, the you know, the truth of the matter is is that you know, as I said, this bacteria or spirokeetor who said parasite is really a very minority causitive agent of any any illness in healthy animals. And so you know, the toxicity of the animal if they're being Vaccines play a huge role.

16:18 I know, we'll get into that a little bit. Vaccines play a huge role. And why animals or you know, come down with all sorts of different chronic illnesses. But you know, just injecting viral vaccines, you know, is a major factor with why an animal would come down with clinical lime disease due to what's called co infections. Sure, and that's a big thing because a lot of the vaccines too have different bacteria and viral components to them that are never disclosed exactly exactly, and so it's you know, even in those minority of animals that are affected, it's believed that quote unquote co infections with other toxic particles or other organisms or quote unquote viruses, you know, are what leads to the minority being clinically affected. In fact, that's one of the big downsides to vaccinating for lime disease, which is one of the most ludicrous, you know, practices I can think of, not that any vaccine is not ludicrous, but especially when lime disease, because when we inject the lime bacteria in any form into the body, force we're bypassing all the ways that the body evolved to keep these organisms out of the body.

17:36 But you're leading to all sorts of autoimmune conditions, and the minority of patients that develop symptoms it's believed to be due to an overactive in a distorted immune response, and so when you vaccinate, you're creating conditions that are basically mimicking that. And so animals and people that have vaccinated for lime disease actually get much sicker when they're exposed to the spiral key or parasite in nature. In fact, you know, the line disease vaccine and people came out in that I believe it was the eighties and nineties, and the side effects was so immense, and it was causing all sorts of neurologic problems and people and all sorts of you know, central nervous system issues. It was yanked off the market right away. I never returned. And so with you know, if we're not vaccinating people because of the safety issues, why the heck would be want to vaccinate dogs for line disease. It's again, you know, I keep going back to the definition of insanity. And we got a little bit over a minute here, but just another question that a lot of a lot of people asked, Okay, so my dog was supposedly diagnosed with line disease or I was. I went through the antibiotic treatments, and how do we know when to stop and if if we do another PCR test, isn't it still good to show up? Yeah, yeah, it's it's still basically could be positive. And of course the antibody tests are going to be positive for

19:07 months or years, but that PCR can be positive as well. Again, it's not a perfect test. There's a lot of false positives and negatives, as I said, as we learned with COVID and son. And then they have these quantitative tests too, Bill, there's something called a C six test where they're measuring, you know, a certain type of antibody that they say correlates with natural infection, and they're saying if it's above a certain minimum this antibody, that you should treat the animal irrespective of whether they're not symptoms or not, which is, as I said, one of the most ludicrous things we can do is is just treating a patient based upon a test result. And of course the other is that you know, we're just we're just running basically blind with these things, these tests, and it really doesn't have a lot of validation. We're at the break right now. We're gonna get into this a lot deeper after this quick break. We all want our pets to be as healthy as possible, and my Paleopets is the answer. Let us help relieve your pet of ear infections, allergies, scratching and itching, diabetes, joint problems, cancer, or other elements by providing our naturally raised, raw, cooked, or frozen biocomplete natural diet entrees that are custom formulated to be species specific and USDA approved. For more information, visit my paleopet dot com or called nine to five four nine seven one two five zero zero.

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21:48 So we've gone through some of the testing. We know that we're on whatever reason, we're always going to end up with if there's been exposure to positive testing, what does a petal or even a person do with it? In the case, what do you draw a line? I mean, basically, I mean an animal shouldn't be treated with anything unless again it comes back to whether they have symptomology of any sort of illness or disease. And that's the thing with lime is is that you know, ninety of animals don't have any symptoms, or they have some transient lameness or mild lethargy for a few days. But you know, they studied this back with beagles in the nineties of pen and showed that basically, you know, those animals when they were injected with the lime organism didn't develop any symptoms of illness. So the necessity to really react and to become frightened you know, is way overblown. In fact that this topic came on a good point. I had a holistic client that is a good client of mine that emailed me today and said to me, I ain't doctor them. I found a tick on Lulu or whatever the dog's name was, and you know, what should I do? You know, that's what people do they you know, they find a tick on an animal.

23:06 What should I do? And I said just She said should I run and get him tested? And I said no, why do you want to do that? You know, you go to the VAT and you get these tests on and then you get frightened, and then that leads to other drugs and medications. And I said, there, does she have any symptoms? And she said no, And I said, then don't worry about it. And then she went on to ask me about her other dog that had a parasite when it was younger. And the dog's doing great on actually you know your diets. And she wanted to know if she should retest the dog for Giardi and I said, absolutely not. If your dog is well and eating well and the stools are normal and gaining weight. This is a puppy, I said, leave the animal alone. You know, we test these animals and test ourselves into oblivion, and we have to look at what does you know, what does an abnormal test indicate? What does it mean? And the truth of the matter is is that unless a person or an animal has symptoms of issues, you know, we have to be careful about these tests and overtesting. I there's another analogy. I sometimes will tell my clients that if I, as an almost sixty year old guy, checked myself into a hospital and had and checked into all the different departments and had them run every test on me, you know, and they would probably find a laundry list of diseases and diagnoses, and I would leave, probably with being frightened to death that I was gonna you know, possibly get very sick or pass away.

24:30 And you know, the truth this is that testing has its place, but it's way overdone, way overdone. Great And then thing, of course, you know, because we associate line disease with parasites. Basically, the body has a natural defense mechanism when they do get a parasite, especially a necto parasite, that is basically repelling them, isn't it and eventually killing them. That's exactly right. A healthy immune system, you know, is definitely the most important part of of you know, of of warding off any sort of quote unquote infection, whether it be with a micro organism or parasite.

25:14 Absolutely. You know. The interesting thing too, you said, you know, of course they did a lot of testing and that sort of thing at at pen with that and uh, you know, the beagle studies and that sort of thing. Those animals that they're using for testing. Um, do not live exactly the healthiest lifestyle, do they, between being penned up and eating commercial processed foods. And uh, that's an excellent point, Bill. And even even in all those conditions, those animals weren't getting sick, you know. So that's why you know, my teacher at Penn whos I believe still there, Merrill Lipmann used to talk about all the time, you know, not treating these tests if the animal doesn't have any symptoms, not vaccinating with the vaccine, which is you know, I hate to say it, I'm seeing more and more animals vaccinated for lime disease along with everything else.

26:07 I mean, I can't believe how much you know, just to divert for a second, how much you know, more expanded the vaccine market has gotten in fact, you know, as we know, and any kenneled animal or animals that go to daycare then now requiring kennel cough vaccine and leptosporosis and bored to tela and all of these organisms, influenza, and they never I mean these were I mean, we never worried about any of these things. And now we're vaccinating for everything, and lime disease is right there with these other these other injections, and it's just more and more animals or being vaccinated without any thought of whether they need it or whether it's harmful. And it's really tragic because I see more unhealthy animals that are vaccinated with lime disease than animals that are not. Yeah, and it's the same thing, you know, the leptos the same way. Now. The other thing is all these things that they're vaccinating, and are these commutable diseases, you know, can they spread from animal to animal very easily? Well? With lime disease, they're talking about maybe bodily fluids can transmit it, So I guess there's a theoretic possibility, but again it's very very rare, Bill, and I wouldn't really worry. I wouldn't counsel people to worry about that, not at all.

27:29 And then, you know, we shouldn't start to talk about too. And then if an animal test positive or and has symptoms, let's say, you know, god forbid, if they have symptoms, you know, there are herbal alternatives for treatment, you know, food based botanicals and all sorts of herbs that can be used instead of this very powerful antibiotic that has you know, so many side effects attached to it. Yeah, I mean, I know, I also thought that they were You've got a few. I did a little bit of sneaking around. There are few homeopathic remedies for those, uh, for so called line disease, aren't there? Yeah? I mean some of the people will use um, a remedy called lead them ledum, which is a remedy that is indicated from one of the indications for it is from a puncture or a bite of an insect or an organ like a tick.

28:22 And sometimes people have used lead them preventatively when an animal has been bitten by a tick and the results are fairly good in terms of, you know, reducing any symptoms. But keep in mind that if the animals don't get sick. It's hard to you know, say that. You know, giving a remedy is making a huge difference because the animals, you know, own immune system is handling things just fine on its own. Yeah, that's exactly right now. Um. You know in our the biocomplete line that uh that we have, I actually have a line uh disease blend of herbs um that and I first was presented with it. God, it's gonna be fifteen sixteen years ago, I went to I was perusing a book of ancient remedies and it had to do with you know things just old things, herbal things, natural thing and lime disease actually existed in the tropics Central America back hundreds of years and they used They found that just using cat's claw bark in a tea or a powder form and would get rid of the symptoms of it. Wow.

29:38 Yeah, cat's claw is an excellent herb as you know, of course, and it has so many beneficial uses, especially you know, in raising the particular parts of the immune system. And like you said, using it in a bulk form is it's very safe for them and I don't think there are any side effects from it, even in large doses, isn't there No, I'm most a. Oh. That's the thing about most herbals and botanicals, because you know, and because there are foods, and just like any food, if you start to eat too much of something that's not you know, man made process in it, but in a natural form, small amounts, even if it's toxic, can be beneficial. But you get to a certain point where your body says no more, and you know, so it kind of puts up those blockades. I mean, onions are a good thing.

30:27 Chocolate, you know, if you even that's the way. There's a dessert called best by chocolate because if you eat over a certain amount of chocolate at any given time, you can die, but your body won't let you. You'll be vomiting before you even get close to that. Very true. And actually when I formulated this, and you know, I know you'll appreciate this because there's a lot of other things that are used in the herbal area for lyme disease. And one of the other ones is wormwood um, which of course is a great hell uh. And then of course black walnuts another good one that's used. But when right, and basically what I did is when I put this together because I'm not looking at just looking at the lime disease. I got to clean the body. So I've got we put in things like the melk this will clean out that liver, or the dandelion will clean out the um kidney, the ethan asia, clean out the lymphatic system.

31:30 Uh, Corella soak up those toxins. Burrelina great antioxidant, white willow because you got you might have joint pain, um meadow sweet the same way and two aspern like you know, substances uh tumor it again cleaning out that liver and getting rid of that inflammation. Uh. And then you know, uh rose hips for vitamin C. Marshmallow, you know, marshmallow is great to settle that stuff in case there's something you know in the diest going on. And then cult for the minerals. Wow, what a popular, What a jam packed formula that is, you know, and it's like if you put it bill, it's it's so important to support the detoxification mechanisms of the body. I mean it's critical. Um. And you know, because so many of these syndromes are due to you know, we break it down again like we do on so many shows due to toxicity. So you're right.

32:29 We have to clean out the lymphatics, clean the liver out, remove the heavy metals and the toxins of the vaccine is so important. And have you ever used I mean I read an article many years ago from Dogs Naturally and one of the herbalists talked about an herb called Japanese not weed route. Have you ever heard of that one? Yeah, I've heard of it. And this is the interesting thing when we get into the herbal world that people you know some you know, some of the formulator or some of the herbalist. It gets cooked on certain things that they're familiar with. Of course, we all do that. Um. You know, veterinarians do that with their drugs. Let's face it pass through that with their homeopathic exactly. But you know, around the world, you know there is there is a botanical a plant, um, you know, an herb um that does the identical thing no matter where you are on this planet. Um. You know it's a it's a natural design. You know, if you're not if it's not spurlinga, it's another LG, that blue green LG that's going to you know, be your antioccidant. If it's not marshmallow root. It could be slipper realm.

33:38 It could be you know, there's just so many different things. Yeah, absolutely, and know what is what is the urb in the month of their homeopathic remedy in the month? Right? We used to you know, in the early days of the store, we used to joke around about that because whatever was whatever disease was in the veterinary journal the month before, that's what everything was. That no stats right right exactly. It got you know, it got to be almost comical, uh to some of the things that you know, Okay, I just saw it in the journal. Next month, everybody's gonna have, you know, whatever it's like, because you know, if friends there, you know obviously the delapath especially what they're testing anything else, They're gonna be testing for that particular thing, aren't they. Yeah, Yeah, there's that the testing. Testing, testing, that's all they that's all we know. I mean, look, most of what when people go to the vet, the conventional vet, it's a brief exam that will listen to the heart for a second or two, feel the belly, and then run the testing. And so as I said, I mean, I try and really I use testing you know when it's appropriate for the giving situation.

34:54 But I certainly don't test test test every animal. In fact, testing an animal for line disease, it doesn't have any symptoms. That's why I counsel my client today. I mean, God, just don't go to that. What are you doing and just to test these animals, just to induce fear into the client. And that's what so much of this testing does. I know it's done for fear. We'll here at the break. Let's take this quick break and we'll be back with more online disease. Does your pet suffer from allergies, cancer, digestive issues, or joint and skin problems? These can be from poor nutrition, and my Paleopet can help. Don't let your pet suffer from poor diet and nutrition. At my Paleopet, we provide fresh, human grade USDA approved biocomplete raw food on trades for dogs and cats.

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37:34 This is build a pet Heal's Good Rule along with doctor Michael Damn. Okay, just before you went to the break, you were talking about, is you know, instilling the fear in the pet owner? Um, you know, so they take action on the other side of when you when you said that, what about the fear and anxiety that that pet being taken into that hospital has to endure. Yeah? Sure, you want to look at the animal absolutely, yeah, with with with over you know, the poking and prodding and more more needles, and the stress and anxiety of just being in the clinic, absolutely and being exposed to god knows what the clan as you talk about all the time, the the you know, the cleaning agents, all the chemicals in a vet office. Not only that the pathogens that are are there and there, I mean they're not cleaning that front room or even quite often the exam rooms and a very thorough cleaning between patients, and they're you know, it can be crazy, can't it. Absolutely? Yeah, absolutely. And then you have you know, animals being injected with modified live viral vaccines which are being shed around them to other animals. I you know, often talk about that in my presentations on vaccination, is when we vaccinate a few groups of animals, it's not just those animals that are being vaccinated. You're actually shedding the organism around the modified organisms of the vaccine to

39:08 the other animals in the surrounding environment that aren't even vaccinated. So you know, all these toxins that animals are being exposed to, and of course the emotional stress of being you know, taken into the vet clinic. It's just it's just not necessary. And you know, the other thing Bill that's also important to realize is that with this whole idea of tick board diseases, it's just it's not just lime. Now they're testing for you know, three and four organisms at once. They're testing for an organism called anaplasmosis and another one or lickia. Right, there are others as well, and you know, vets are testing for those animals are coming up positive and then again more reason to put them on doctor cycling for several weeks. And so, you know, anything we can do to elicit fear in the in the guardian or the or the patient, it seems to be the norm in a lot of ventry clinics. Yeah, it is, it really is, and it's you know, it's almost again, Kennedy, it's a travesty. It's it's why our dogs are in Our pets are living half or a third of a lifetime today instead of instead of and quite often struggling from very young ages, aren't they.

40:34 Yeah, younger and younger ages. We got those autoimmune diseases and cancers and organ pathology. Yes that you know, even animals that are you know, one and three, two to three years of age, I'm seeing come into the vent clinics with all sorts of chronic degenerative diseases that you know, twenty thirty years ago, we're rare or not seen at all. Well, the other thing is you're going to look at herd immunity as well, which is something that nobody talks about obviously. But if let's say, if if mom or Grandmam was exposed to BLME disease, or some of the other ones that we talk about. Isn't there a certain amount of natural immunity that's passed down through the bloodstream and then through the colostrum and through the milk. Absolutely sure is. And you know, the healthier mom mom is, the healthier those puppies and babies are going to be. In fact, you know, the you know, the research on lime disease and people is you know, they looked at farmers that were exposed to line and eighty percent of the farmer has had lime disease, but only you know, positive tested, but only two percent showed any symptoms. Again and again, the healthy immune system, they were able to fight it off on their own. And like you said, they're able to you know, mothers are able to transmit that protection through the in utero and through the milk and the colostrum so that animals and young babies don't get sick. Yeah. No, it's interesting because they're doing some of the research too. Of course, you know, lately, I've been talking a lot more about water and ionized water. You know, parasites don't

42:07 like an alkaline body, so they're going to go towards the animals that are more acidic so and you know that are drinking dead water. That's what we feed them out of the tap, isn't it? Absolutely? You know, lifeless water. I know that's an interest of yours, and it's an important point we can't forget. Is you know the number one nutrient in the body, of course is water. Yeah, exactly. And what we're finding now, of course, you know, you know, it wasn't as important of a topic for me for so many years because we're feeding raw diets, which has that living ionized water in the food right right, it's so important to recognize that the water. You know, clients will often tell me when they're on the road diet, Hey, docy, I'm trying to get them to drink water, and they don't want to drink any water, and they're getting it off from the food. I love about that because we get that all the time. It's like, he's not drinking any water anymore. It's like, no kidding. I mean, even the dog that I've got right now, Um, I can fill up the water bowl more evaporates since you ever drinks right right. I mean, it's really really interesting. Now on the other side, I'm gonna tell you, you know, I've got I've got birds as well, and you know, birds are eating primarily primarily seed diets because I got hooked bills. I do give them some greens and stuff like that, which they eat and they're picking out of those. But they drink a lot more water. And since they've since I've been using the elkpline ionized

43:38 water, they're drinking twice as much and they're twice as active. Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, I mean, healthy water, like you said, Bill is so critical and it's something I think, you know, we really need to pay attention more to as we move along, you know, we really have to. Right now. It's interesting too in my in my searches here and you know, we're this is hour is going by way way too fast again, and I don't know how we managed to fill so much time and on single subjects like this, but looking at different foods for lyme disease, and of course on a human side, almost every site is going to a plant based diet, you know that. But the FU where I'm looking at and it talks about um, you know, feeding clean food more than anything else. Um, you know, uh, you know, non GM food. It's not GMO fat, it's it's in the meat family and stuff like that. But things like you know, naturally raised salmon, you know, wild caloted salmon and chicken. It's pastured venison of course, which is almost always you know, clean raised in any of the clean UH lean meats, because that's going to build up the body absolutely, I totally agree, you know. And the other thing is, of course, is when we're looking at the diets more and more now is the use of more and more organ me especially liver, because of you know, we've we're talked, we touch on a little bit in the last couple of weeks about the copper and

45:10 iron situation that we're showing all these I just got hair analysis from UH for a dog, and it's leaching copper because it's non usable, not bioavailable copper out of the hair like crazy wow. And and then the iron part of it is severely deplete because of that connection. And you can't do this stuff with supplements, which is one of the things we talked about a couple of weeks ago, because it's not bio available, right right, totally true. I mean, that's wonderful. I always forget about the you know, you guys do the you know, the hair testing and the heavy metal testing. It's a great service for our animals and ourselves. Yeah, more often, and that if they go onto our under my paleopet website starting I think starting tonight, they're actually running a special on that because we haven't been pushing as much as we should and that's still one of the best, you know, best measures of those toxic heavy metals. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's really And it's funny because when when we introduce that, what fifteen years ago or so, um, most of the veterinary community pooh pooed it said, oh that stuff is inaccurate or anything else. But yet that was the gold standard for the EPA. Wow, that's an excellent point, you know, UM and all their studies that they do on toxicity and you know, bad chemicals and you know all of that. So you know again that disconnects.

46:39 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But one thing I wanted to touch on before I know we're coming to the end of the show in a few minutes is you know the other thing that is part of this toxicity is and we touched on it, uh, you know in many other shows, is the poisons that people use to prevent to kill these texts and kill the mosquitoes. And it's those animals that are being given these topical and oral formulations and their boxes are so toxic. Those are the animals I see that get clinical line disease. Absolutely, you know, we've seen I've seen that for forever. I mean you know when those topicals came out. I mean even even they sprays back in back forty fifty years ago, while they were more natural, and we didn't use them as heavily because we, let's face it, fifty years ago, we were feeding our animals real food. Yeah, but as a majority, and we didn't have sick animals. No, no, not at all. It was crazy. Okay, we got about three minutes left here, So doctor Dim again, where can people reach you? Then? Can go to my website which is www dot doctordim dot com. That's dc tr dym dot com and that has all the information on my practice, my services, and my contact information. And just to remind the that I do offer phone consultations nationwide. Yeah, and of course, um, you know I do, uh you know, phone consultations I do in person it at my

48:12 paleopet when I'm there. Um, they can also reach me on social media at the Pet Health Guru UM, which you know. Uh, and of course we got a ton of information coming out. We're always you know, we're always blessing it out the websites. Uh. You know you've heard them in the commercials by paleopet dot com. The Bible Complete Line is launching a brand new website and hopefully in the next two to three weeks they'll have a lot more information, be a lot more customer friendly. We're opening up UM on the wholesale and of course you hear our wholesale commercial on the show.

48:52 We're opening up more and more stores throughout Florida, independent stores so that people have access to what they need. Yeah, and you know, I mean that's a big part of it as well. We have to get the resources have got to be out there. Yeah. The availability of your products, Bill is wonderful the way it's expanded, you know. And yeah, I know my accountant does. My accountant doesn't like that. She says, Bill quit coming out with new products, right right, But it's always new and improved, Bill. We have to evolve as we learn, and you know, everything is always evolving. Well that you know, that's how we got involved. You know, we started out with food, and we moved into your bowls, and we moved into the clean air and uh you know, uh second putting on, the next part of it was the clean water.

49:44 So you know, we're looking at the whole body. We really are looking at a truly holistic format. And of course you know your homeopathy works right into it, and you know your philosophies and and your your understanding of it is probably the biggest asset that we have. And we appreciate you being here. And I guess we're going to be back again next week. Sounds good. I'm looking forward to it, all right, thank you for listening. Good night, everybody. How healthy is your pet? Does your pet suffer from ear infections, scratching and itching, diabetes, cancer, or other elements.

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