Heartworm & Parasites What Do I Do???

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0:43 Yes, this is Bill Pet Health Guru, along with my special guest host, doctor Michael dam How are you doing, doctor, I'm doing pretty well. Bill. How's it going today, Hey, at least it hasn't rained during the day today, but let's say it's getting ready to again. Yeah, weather was nice and cooler. That's good to let a couple of days. So that's a relief, a relief and now right, yeah, of course, you know we're now facing U guess shortages here in Florida and especially South Florida. Yeah, that's last week's rain. Yeah, last week's rain took out I guess there a lot of capacity at the port at Port Everglades were most of the guest line comes in. I know, it's like this morning, I almost got caught with a zero gas. I found the station in a more remote section of where I live, and uh, but it's really hard. I mean a lot of them are just out of gas.

1:34 Yeah, terrible, Yeah it is. And of course, you know, we've got a walla round in front of our store, and I didn't get I was gonna go over to today and you know, fill up, and every time I looked out, there were lines. Yeah. Crazy, I mean I haven't I don't think I've seen jazz lines. And you know since one of the hurricanes, right, No, I know, I hope it ends soon. I mean it's I mean, how long can this go on for it? I mean the supply should be I mean, you know, the weather was what a week a week or so ago. Yeah, well they're talking um. There's now reported that Fort Lauderdale because it was so much water um and the um city Hall got so much water in it it wiped out basically all their electronics there, you know, acs, heaters, all that stuff, and that they're they're looking to do, possibly close it and find a new place. Yeah. Yeah, well hopefully it'll get up and going soon. Yeah. And of course we know that, you know, with the ken trails and what they've been doing with weather manipulation, there's a good chance and a lot of this stuff is, you know, being created artificially, right, right, I agree? Thirty inches of rain. God, you know that's never even in the worst of hurricanes. No, exactly.

2:59 Yeah, yeah, well it happens to be heartworman parasite week. Hey, I don't think I've ever heard those terms before, have you. Right, it's something we've never heard of, right, I just take your pet into the local conventional that and those are the first things that come up in discussion, that's for sure, exactly. And I'll be honest. On social media, they've increased the amount of advertising for those toxic, nasty products. Yeah, I mean it's amazing. I mean any even nighttime television. I mean, you just the commercials are just amazing, you know. I know when I watched some of the Fox News radio programs, I mean that's like the main commercials are for these pesticides. I see them all the time.

3:46 Yeah, And with that being said, they all come with a long list of toxic side effects, don't they. Yeah, especially the nervous system. You know, these products are supposed to be. The way they're marketed is they're supposed to be exclusive to the nervous system of the flea or the thick in other words, paralyzing the nervous system of those pests. But I but we find that it can actually cause the same syndromes and our animals, in fact, even to the point where we see severe seizures and other neurologic disorders, paralysis and so. And of course you know, we both know what those products are doing to the liver and the rest of the body. So yeah, I mean the side effects are pretty strong. And you know when they read that list of side effects at the end of the commercial, you know, we have to listen to those side listen to that because those are real. Those are just those are seen in the veterinary clinics and seen out there in our animal companions, and they're not rare in my opinion. Well, the other thing is is, you know when you see some of the you know, all these different side effects and you go in and say, hey, you know, doctor, my dog is now scratching and itching, my dog is now got diarrhea, my dog has got chronic here infections.

5:09 Never had it before. In his life and the only thing that was changed was the type of blee and tick or heartworm medication that was given. Do you think it could be possibly that? And what's the normal response to the animal health industry. Yeah, of course they're going to say absolutely not. These are problems that are related to either you know, dietary indiscretion or allergies. You know that term, you know, that's the terms we constantly see used. And you know, when clients asked me, I mean, I say, as we talk about all the time, it's the side of that one big word that we talk about, toxicity. Yeah. Well, it's interesting because a few years back, I guess it's probably eight nine years ago, and I can't find the article anymore because it's been taken I don't offline, but the primary trade economic magazine in the veterinary trade actually did a thing on heartworm and they actually tested the products and published in their own magazine that none of these products that we tested work, but advised of veterinary community the industry if you will, to keep selling them, because one company alone sells over a billion dollars a year, and you know, be damned it happens to your pat yeah, exactly the syndromes we talk about. Yeah, and

6:45 you know, the thing about these products are especially for heartworm. I remember there was a professor of mine at Penn. His name was doctor David Knight, and he wrote an ecle back in the nineties early nineties on heartworm prevention. And he was the president of the American Heartroom Society Ventory Heartroom Society at that time, the first president, and he was considered very well respected, brilliant cardiolo ventory conventional venary cardiologists, and he wrote this article on on heartwarm preventatives and how you know, even from the allopathic perspective that you know that we were recommending year round prevention. And he was talking about how the disease transmission season that for those parasites or only three to five months a year in most areas of the country. And so he was saying, you know, again from an allopathic perspective, which at least what he was talking about made some sort of conventional sense, is that we shouldn't be recommending preventative year round.

7:43 We should be educating clients of when their pet might be at risk. Again, everything I'm saying is from a conventional vet perspective, and he went on to say, and then we're combining all of these different poisons in one product. And he was very much against that as well, you know, from both a safety perspective as well as not even a necessary perspective, because what they're putting in these heartworm you know, pesticide preventatives are other flee and tick parasitied parasitides. They're putting in the warmers that aren't needed for you know, very rare intestinal parasites that are mainly seen in younger animals. So they're combining more and more poisons in one medicine and this is not what he spoke about we should be doing. And you know, the industry has gone so far to the extreme the other way, and you know, we forget what pioneers in the Venary profession talked about decades ago, which is still true.

8:41 I mean it's it's still the transmission season is still only a few months a year in most areas of the country, and yet the profession recommends year round prevention with these poisons. Well it's interesting too, because you know, a lot of the lot of the heartworm research was done that you know, University of Pennsylvania and several of the vets that I had back in the seventies that I was working with m when we were selling puppies back then. We're part of that project, and it's you know, it's so I was familiar with all the background stuff back then, and there is no essentially, first off, it does not prevent anything, doesn't No, no, not at all.

9:28 Yeah, that's what it sold as. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's sold as. And you know, and then when they get animals that turn up positive that are using the products, they say, well, it's a rare case that didn't work, or it's um or it's heartworm resist or its, or it's resistant rare resistant parasites. But you know, I've seen those in the conventional clinic where animals are taking these things year round and they still come up being positive. And you know, we have to keep in mind, which I know we'll probably get into, is is why these conventionally raised animals test positive or or become you know, clinical with signs of symptoms from heartworm exposure and so um. You know, we have to remember that, you know, these conventionally raised animals are so poisoned and intoxicated with so many things that you know, our holistic you know, audience and customers aren't that that's why they're seeing clinical heartworm disease in those patients. Well, a little bit about you know, in the cycle of the of the you know, heartworm. First off, it's only carried by one species of mosquitoes as far as I if it's the research is still you know currentum and you have to be the dog has got to be bit several times, um, probably by very by multiple mosquitoes, because once it gets in the body, it's it's only male and female heartworms in order to be able to reproduce. Generally speaking, most of the cases that we've seen down here in South Florida are

11:00 usually animals that are being rescued from the islands where they're tied outside all the time or in doghouses. And you know, when you walk out in your backyard in any tropical or subtropical and even up north, you know, during the middle of the summertime, you know, the middle of the day, you don't see very many mosquitoes. But if you go into a garden shed for instance, where it's moist and dark, opened it up, and there's mosquitoes all over the place because they light those dark, moist places like a doghouse. Right, And then of course where are they gonna bite the dog? Normally in the groin area where it's very little hair. And I remember going back years and years ago and talking with groups of veterinarians and trying to teach this stuff. I always ask the audience, Okay, have you ever been bit by a mosquito? Everybody raises their hands on the top of your head. All the hands go down right right, good Christmas. Mosquitoes don't like the hair. They can't get down to the skin easily, right, right, So if they get into the and when they get into that coat, um, if there's you know, of course every creature um has predators out there. If they get caught in that coat, they can't get away from whatever predators and it might be in that coat, so they're not going to risk it. Yeah. Now, and let's just say, okay, now, that mosquito bit. You know, we got multiple bites, and it takes anywhere estimated from six to nine months basically for the larva to be

12:35 able to move to the heart. Now, if you have a healthy animal in that bloodstream where they're now embedded. Isn't there a whole natural system to eliminate parasites, bacteria, fungus, is any any foreign invader? Yeah, sure, I mean there's natural you know, the immune system is designed to remove these invaders exactly. So the chances of that goes three or four or five larva making it to the heart after being exposed to a healthy immune system for six to nine months, what are the chances of it ever making it there? Very small, especially as we said, in the holistically reared animal, but even in the conventionally raised animals, the incidents is very very small.

13:35 Yeah, but it's a sales tool, It's it's a profit. It's a big it's a major profit center for the clinics and the hospitals, isn't it. It sure is, And it's expensive. Those are not cheap medications. And as I said, now they're combining them with flee and tech medication and you know wormers all in one. And it's just it's an overwhelming, poisonous cocktail is what it is. And it's you know, back decades ago, remember all they had, you know, as you know, Bill would be like heart Guard, you know, the brand name which there's basically ivermectin, and then they started, you know, adding all of these other substances to the preventative and removing themselves from really what was the intended you know, preventative, what was the intended target of their preventative medication, and it was heartworms. But they said, oh no, this is a better opportunity for us to incorporate all these other you know, toxic medications, not taking into account that most of these animals even are are not going to get these other you know powers and intestinal worms, I mean, hookworms and roundworms and a healthy adult animal are really very rare and if we see them, it's it means the gut is messed up and the whole bodies detoxification mechanims are messed up because it's just you know, healthy adult dogs just don't get intestinal worms.

15:03 No, it's interesting too because you know, just to keep bringing in the testing side of it, now that you know testing for parasites, they're using the same the now infamous PCR tests, right, he basically is going to show parts of protein. But that doesn't mean that the animals actively have parasites, does it. No, not at all. It's just like you said, it's looking at protein sequences and just assuming that they're that those indicate you know, adult worm infections, whereas most of the cases they don't, you know what for decades, and you know, people will say, well, we're now more sensitive at picking these things up, but there's also more false positives, you know, just like found with the COVID nineteen testing, and you know, the old days, you know, remember how we did it was we just took some float and you know, it took some zinc sulfate solution and floated in the office and you know, looked and so off we saw any eggs or live parasites and that's how we diagnosed it. And animals weren't dying like or becoming you know, wasting away from parasites when we used to do it that way. But as medicine has gotten more complex and more confusing in their testing, it's actually led to increased false positives and increased you know, usage of these toxic medications and preventatives when we don't really need them.

16:30 And it's it's it's so true, you know, I mean, and I'm glad you brought up the fact that we used to do through a simple float. Now I mean most of my customers. When I look and when they bringing in records and I'm looking at it, generally they're doing a t they're doing a check in in house. I don't even know what to how they're checking that in house anymore. But then they also send it out for um more testing and then the PCR, so they're actually being checked for parasites with three separate bills on the invoice. Wow, I didn't even know that. I mean the clinics I've done some work at, they just they just do one test. But you're saying there's now three of them at these places.

17:15 Yeah, well they're sending it out. Yeah, and I you know, of course my first first thought on that. You know, boy, I think is I guess the veterinarians and the texts that are working there aren't savvy enough in them wording that very carefully to be able to detect it with a simple microscope. No, because they're, like you said, they're going to these you know, they're just shipping all these samples out because they assume that they're much more sensitive at the lab. And you know, as you said, you know, these extra tests, you know, as we're talking about often pick up background protein material which doesn't really indicate that the parasite is even present. But they're testing positive for these proteins, and then they're being recommended that they worm these animals, you know. And the truth is is in a lot of these cases, they don't need to be wormed because it's a false positive, right exactly. And I just got a question that came in and it's like, Okay, aren't aren't these worms, especially round worms and hookworms and things like that, transmitted by dog poop. The reality is they're transmitted by poop from any animal, isn't it right? Well? Sure, I mean they can come from raccoons and other you know, wild foxes and other other animals, dunks, rats, mice, right right, and even even birds. And the thing that people, you know, and this is a good homeopathic perspective, is is that there are worms that are in the body and low numbers that are there, and people who often don't realize

18:49 that or recognize that either where you know, that's why puppies, all puppies and kittens are actually born testing positive for worms, because the mothers have them in their bodies and then through the milk or the placenta before they're born transmit the parasites to the puppies. And so you know, in low numbers, the worms are there in low numbers, and then under hormonal or other stressful situations like pregnancy, in milking or lactatient, then mothers become you know, the worms become more active and multiply and and so that's another example of you know, the fact that I know we're may get into it is that a low number of parasites is normal in these animals. Right Okay, we're right up against the break right now. I want to get into more of that because there's there's actually a lot of physiological reasons why while we're going through that wellping or birthing state, that these parasites have it the opportunity to proliferate.

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21:21 or visit biocomplete Natural Diet dot com. You're on the Pet Health Cafe to show where your pensive voices is build the pen health Guru along with doctor Michael Dim. Now we've brought up something about you know, the young puppies always end up with, you know, with with higher parasite loads while they're um, while their puppies actually and of course they're obviously coming from mom. And part of that isn't it just make kind of common sense that the body in an active, normal, healthy animal, it's going to keep these things all at bay or at least, you know, um, absolutely minimized. But when the body's going through pregnancy, we're taking those resources, that that nutrition and that health and we're moving it to growing the puppies and then lactating, which is taking part of the defense mechanism away from mom. Isn't it Absolutely?

22:32 It's a good way of looking at a bill, good point, you know, so you're going to obviously see more and of course, you know, the way most people end up, you know, running to the animal hospital for worms is because we literally see the body expelling them, don't we. Yeah, it's what the body is supposed to do. That's exactly right, it's working, right, yeah. Yeah. So just because we're identifying the eggs and the stools of you know, new mothers and young puppies and kittens, doesn't mean we have to body slam the animal's body with powerful poisons and Actually, when we keep doing that and we're destroying the gut flora, we're putting added toxins into fat cells, into body tissue, doesn't that susceptibility increase over time? Absolutely does? It sure does, because like you said, we are affecting the gut biome with these powerful warmers, and we're causing the intestinal or mucos, the lining of the bowels to become inflamed and irritated and what we call leaky. And then we're getting into all sorts of other immune conditions, not only short term but long term in these animals. And you know you brought it up, of course, you know we're seeing as all these and of course not only the conventional intentional worm products, but also the heart heart worm products and the fleet products. Especially what is the load

24:08 on the filtration system, the liver, kidneys, lymphatic system when we get when we reach these high levels, Oh, the load is tremendous. I mean, just like you said, it starts at the gut level, and then that's the window to the liver and then of course goes to the heart and the kidneys and all the bodies. Detoxification mechanisms the way they evolved become overwhelmed, and then you're getting all sorts of depending upon the individual susceptibility of the animal, you're going to get all sorts of other symptoms and other body systems that are certainly much more serious than a low worm burden in the animal. Well, what are the other things too? Because you know, you and I discuss detoxification a lot, and of course you know we're actually it isn't kind of worming, like a kind of detoxing of parasites, but increasing the chemical load it. Sure it does, it's exactly right. Yeah, the dichotomy. Yeah, but at the same yeah, at the same time, Okay, if we're destroying that the filtering system, okay, the long term, Um, we go in and we do the detox for the liver, kidney, lymphatic system, all of that and the gun Now the body has also had on the backside. Doesn't it have to replace all those damaged and dead cells and disease cells that the body is getting rid of. Absolutely

25:45 it does, and that puts even more stress on the body. But yeah, it has to go into overdrive for sure, and you would obviously need to have an upscale enough plane on the nutritional side. Wouldn't you, That's for sure. I agree. And you know you think of these you know, these schedules or the wormings or these young animals, and it's they're starting at like two weeks of age Bill, when they're still nursing, they're still not even on solid food, and they're giving worming medications, you know, to those young two weeks old puppies, and then they're often doing it every week, just warming them. And those medications are not even approved or shouldn't be used even allopathically speaking, more than once every three weeks, but they're doing it every week in that young developing gut and body immune system. And that's just wreaking havoc. I mean, I can't tell you when I look at the like you say, you look at the paperwork of the of the of the animals that the clients bring in, and you know, any young puppy, let's say a puppy comes in or a kitten at eight weeks of age and ten weeks of age, you look at the medical history and the health certificate, and you're seeing not only all those vaccines that they don't need, but you're seeing wormings that are given and flee and tick and heartwarm medications that are given way too frequently to these young animals. Well, you know, if you look at animals that are produced for you know, commercial sale,

27:15 you know the you know, the puppies and kittens, um, you know, especially more so in a designer breeds or pure breads that they're basically you know, supplied to the pet industry, the dog and cat industry. Every time it changes hands, you have to have a brand new health certificate. Every health certificate you have to you have to put in what the latest vaccines, wormings, medical interventions are. When I started in the trade, a health certificate mentho, the veterinarian actually looked at the animal in a basic physical and signed off to the animal look healthy to them, then started with the vaccine and warming. And we were actually told that every time this happens and you have to start a new routine, you know, you have to have a new health certificate with brand new vaccine and wormings. It's because we can't really trust that the act that the last veterinarian actually did it right, you know, for the government agencies and the veterinary associations to make that, weren't they slamming their own members. Absolutely. Yeah, they're not trusting that their members can do a good job. And just you know, with the first health certificate, right and of course now you know, you and I are seeing all the other medications and therapies and everything else that's out there.

28:48 If you go to and I don't care what the issue is, if you go to four different standard allopathic clinics and not go to the specialties after that, but just go to four different one with the symptoms, what's the likelihood that you'll get for concurring diagnosis. Yeah, very small, very small, that's for sure. Yeah, you're probably gonna get four different opinions, and you're going to get prescribed different medications, different drugs, different vitamins, different supplements. And when you resually look at the backside, if you compare what they are, it's the same medications, same supplements, same vitamins, but inner a different label. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point there, They are the same. So yeah, I mean we talked about it with the testing Um podcast that we did that you know, you can you get the basic diagnosis from a good old fashioned practitioner, you probably have a more accurate diagnosis than with all these fancy the fancy equipment and testing and everything else at probably five percent of the costs. And at the end of the day, if you took two the two animals and went in both directions, the medications at the end of world be the same. That's very true. Yeah, you know they have to pull a little toolbox. Yeah. Yeah,

30:19 and then the medications have become much more, much stronger. And like I said, typically even to these young puppies, they're giving combination warmers, which are you know, not even the old fashioned member. We used to just use the old horse warmer strongen in the puppies, you know, and that's what or you know nmex or whatever the label, Yeah, yeah, it was nmex. That was that was a pyranta um and go one. No, now they're they're using again, even in these young puppies, these combination you know compounds, these warmers, you know, the ones that get not only rand worms and hookworms, but get tapeworms and and you know, giardia and all these other parasites that are you know, so overkill for those young gut immune systems. And that's really you know, really tragic, and people, you know, get these young puppies and they're they're wagging their tails and they want to get them started on, you know, a holistic lifestyle.

31:23 If it's coming into yours or my store, your store or my clinic, and uh, you know, we have to detox these puppies when they're so young. It's so it's so tragic, you know that we have to do that. That's exactly right. It's it's it's almost I consider in Stanley, I really do, and it's it just doesn't nothing makes any sense. Right. And then if you throw in Billy, if people are going to the typical shelters and humane societies and rescue organizations, then if you throw if you look at those animals, people want to give those, you know those and you know, like you said, the animals coming from the islands after storms and and you know, tragedies and or even if somebody just wants to give a you know, a shelter animal at home. You look at the health record and it's just bombarded with with with not only the warmers, but then you throw the vaccines in and the and the early spain and neutering when they're like not even six to eight weeks of age and you're starting out with such chronically ill young patients, even if they have no symptoms at that time, you know they're going to develop symptoms of illness because their their immune systems have already been bombarded. I had a customer, a returning customer, came in UM just to give you a case UM a couple of days ago. And they because they moved away, they were feeding UM like one of the commercial raw foods and not really's explaining the difference between what we do and what they

32:57 do. And she now works literally across the street from from our store, and she said, we want to get back on I got to talk to my body from another the doll that but she got a big dog and then she's got this little dog that when they did a blood test, deliver values were highly elevated. Of course, you know what they put them on on food. And she says, how do you well, how do you holistically rebuild a liver? I said, well, if you study ancient Chinese medicine, you feed like with like. And I said, so give the dog X the liver. And she looked at me. She says, why would that make a difference. I said, because the chemical makeup, the biochemical makeup of all livers is pretty basic, isn't it. It sure is.

33:51 It's very much similar course of course, you know, species even. Yeah, so if you turn around and you feed liver for nutrition, you have basically a biologically balance nutritional plan for the liberto't you. Yeah, you sure do. And you know, we talk about that relative to other organ systems when there are problems, whether it's the brain, right, you give, brain tissue yep, arts arts right, green, all that stuff, pancreas. Sure, yeah, it's I mean, I mean, that's that's amazing. We got about thirty seconds here. But it's it's interesting because it it was like she's sitting in front of me, and it's like somebody flipped a switch and a light came on. At least it came on. At least it came on. It didn't stay off. Yeah, you're right there, and that's that's the interesting thing. Okay, we're right against the break here again, and then we'll come back and wrap up parasites. Does your pet suffer from allergies, cancer, digestive issues, or joint and skin problems?

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37:45 What's the likelihood of actually having a major parasite problem. Oh, very very low, Bill. I mean it's uf you know, if we can just get that point across to the guardians that just eliminating all those source is of external toxic toxicity, that the odds of parasites overgrowing in an animal are really, I would say, near zero. I mean, it's got to be down there right exactly now. One of the other things I was thinking of during the break here is because we were talking about puppies and kittens and you know, basically nursing animals, and for the most part, one of the recommendations I've been making for four fifty years. God, it's hard to believe that, but what we used to do back back then is if you hit a puppy, a kitten, net's pregnant. Okay. A great nutritional idea that we had that we actually followed is a week the two weeks before we weelping, giving birth, whatever. Is using an increasing in a body as a food product raw milk, whether it was cow's milk, goat's milk, whatever, because the components of the nutrition again, like we were just talking about the liver. Isn't that going to aid in milk production? A higher

39:20 quality higher amount in that lactating animal. Yeah, sure would. And that's a good point. Feeding those raw milk products you know back right at that time, are gonna really optimize healthy milk production. Absolutely, so the body's note doesn't have to actually draw like the calcium out of the bones because it's in the food. Yeah, in the most natural form, along with all the enzymes and hormones that they need, right right, I mean you and you're not getting deficiency states, right. And of course when we look at these raw foods, it's not not just about certain minerals of certain nutrients.

40:04 It's the hormones and enzymes that are also in that that makes that creates the synergy that the body need that energy. That's that's basically what synergy is. It's that energy to be able to use it all, isn't it. Yeah, sure, it's it's as nature intended. You can't get better than that, right, absolutely. Um. But now when we look at it, Okay, in nature, less than three percent of wild canine end up with heartwork. And so obviously you know, obviously here we're down here in Florida and in it solved where you got you know, twelve months of basically warmer weather, the instance is gonna be a lot higher when you go up north, it's going to be almost zero. Um. So that's still a very tiny amount in the in the whole canine world. Obviously, in nature, they have mechanisms that tell them what they need to eat, drink and just roll in topically whatever to get rid of parasites. Please. For instance, you know, wild animals will roll in a in a patch of lavender or spearmint or peppermint or any of the men family, and that kills all the fleas, doesn't it. Yeah, sure it does. Natural natural exposure to

41:37 what goes pure, what people do potential oils from absolutely yeah, yeah, Okay, they drink out of certain puddles. Okay. Now, for instance, at Biocomplete, uh, you know our brand, and you know of both herbs and mechanical blends. One of the things that we've used for decades is black wallet hall okay, because those animals will drink underneath a walnut tree, that water that is black. It looks like a cup of coffee. It's so dark, so much cannon and other components in it. Okay, gets ridden. It's actually a blood cleanser and gets rid of heartworms naturally without pretty a chemical that's going to sit in a body for the whole lifetime, it's expelled. Herbals and foods are normally expelled in about twenty four to forty hours, aren't they. Yeah, that's very true. And you know when people come into you know, my clinic and there, and they're still nervous about heartworms and parasites and worms, even though I do my best to get them off of that mindset that they have to give a preventative every month, I say, well, you know, just call my friends and my paleo pet and get them on some herbal botanicals that include black walnut and wormwood and Quasia bark and all the other herbs that you know are certainly you know, more gentler on the body than these poisons, not that they even need, not that that you know, if they just go on the species appropriate role diet, they don't even need those things, you know, for the most

43:07 part. And they're just not gonna get They're not going to become positive bill, They're not going to get, you know, clinically. And the truth of the matter is is with that, you know, but if you use that products on a regular basis, and you don't need to use it every day. It's once twice a week, three times a week. Can anyone wants you, you know, not your socks off. But because of the ingredients in there, actually some of those products are blood clensers, so it's going to keep anything that's bad in the blood out. Number two, it's got tumeric in it. Tumeric not only is going to get ridden that not only doesn't get rid of intestal parasites. At the same time it's doing that, it's actually healing the gut. And you know, so it's not a single you know, it's not like drugs where I'm just nuking everything. These all these natural products actually are doing multiple functions within the body, aren't they.

44:02 Yeah, yeah, just as you're saying it's they're not just you know, a poison just you know, destroying, destroying the you know, the whole gut. You know, these are you know again, this is what they do in nature. As you said, they they drink the puddle below the walnut tree. They know what herbs to eat when they're about. You know, there's a wisdom that animals know. They'll they'll eat the grasses and the herbs that they know that they need. It's uh, you know, nature has a wisdom about it as well. So you know when we come in with these artificial products and these drugs, just you know, it's just not necessary from my perspective as a holistic veterinarian. You know, it's interesting because you you have probably you're probably one of the heroes out there in the industry. Um, because you know, you were in teleopathic you weren't happy.

44:57 You studied homeopathy under the great One, and um, you know when we first met, that's where you you were headed. And over time you have started to integrate so much more as far as nutrition so much and using in that nutrition the herbals as well, the botanicals as well, because that is it's it's food, it's not a supplement. Right. I have to, you know, commend you for that, because thank you, you've been on You've been on a journey and sometimes it has a few speed bumps, isn't it. Absolutely It always always bumps along our journeys. There's ups and downs, right Bill, But thank you. I I you know, and like you talked about last week, it's a journey from evolving from that supplement mindset, which I still you know, in an evolutionary you know process where you talked about last week, or all those fillers that go into just even nutritional supplements that are not not natural foods, not herbals, not botanicals, which are as you say, foods and that's what we should be giving our animals to, you know, for health, for treatment, for prevention, and so yes, it's uh, you know, definitely been an evolving journey.

46:21 Well what are the other things too? Is that? Um? You know when people come to you and I were consoles, Okay, we take the time to explain how the system actually works. Now, not everybody gives them I understand that. And of course that's why we have this forum. You know, they can jump on their their iPhones or androids, hit the podcast button, listen to us hundreds and hundreds of hours of information there. You do it at your own pace. Um, you know, it's it's all part of it. But PET members have to take that responsibility. Yes, PEP parents don't they absolutely? You know, Holistic health is not just uh, I mean, it's a it's an empowering journey where you know, it takes effort and it takes you know, time and understanding and getting away from that quick fixed mentality where we want to take a pill or take an injection or you know, take a medication to get rid of a symptom, and that's not how health works. No, okay, so we got two minutes here. Um, people can get a hold of you how because when you need to get you, we need to keep you really busy. Yeah, well they can go to my website which is doctordim dot com. That's DC T O R dym dot com or one word that has my email address, my contact phone number. I prefer email since I do get inquiries,

47:53 I don't have a I don't have my own secretary, so you know, I work with people all over the country. Distance should not be a problem and as exactly right to push for you know, the pet health Guru. Um. You know you can always get me through biocomplete natural diets, through on social media, the pet health Guru, UM, through our retail outlet which is my paleopet dot com or my paleopet physical location and uh you know schedule and you know a consult We can literally we see animals change just in the dietary part alone, physically change and you can attest to this and sometimes seven days. Yeah, it's amazing the body you can heal remarkably, And you know, you just have to give it a chance and take the leap of faith and understand and like you said, do their own reading about things that they're at their own pace, because everybody he's at a different point on their evolving journey. But if they make the effort and the time and they really you know, make the make the transition, I don't think they'll be disappointed. And the other thing is is okay, when your animal has a reaction, when you start changing diet and you start changing eddy and herb the nessary thing just because you see symptoms like diarrhea, vomiting, skin eruption,

49:25 ear infection, that's the body just doing its natural thing. And you know, I want people to understand that that. Don't be afraid of that. It's just like us. You know, we go through and we when we have to cleanse, we cleanse and then we feel better, don't we. Yeah. Yeah, the body has to go through that to get rid of all those toxins that we've described in this and many other programs. It's it's it's not just a one shot deal, literally, not a one process deal. I mean the health transition, the health changes, like you said, can be very rapid. But then the body does have to do some house cleaning, as we say, and so that's part of healing, and that's what we have to educate our clients on. Doctor dim a pleasure, another great show. We're at the end of it here, and you know we'll come up with some other screwy topic for next week. Sounds good, Bill, Hopefully that's a great healthy week. Thank you you too. How healthy is your pet? Does your pet suffer from ear infection, scratching and itching, diabetes, cancer, or other elements. If you want the best health for your pet and to prevent or relieve these symptoms, my Paleo Pet is

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