Are You and Your Pets Health Issues A Mineral Imbalanced?

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0:44 Welcome to the Pet Health Cafe to show where your pet has a Voice. This is Bill the Pet Health Guru. And as always, we have another exciting show lined up for you tonight. I've got a special guest since will be coming up here in a second is and I want to remind everybody to light and to subscribe and to share uh this broadcast and our channel and you know on YouTube and Spotify, W four HC Pethhealthcafe dot com and on social media because getting these messages out is very, very important. The chatroom is open, so if you've got any comments, questions, anything else, we'll be happy to answer them. And I've got a returning guest. He's one of our favorites, Morley Robbins, the Mineral Guy, the Copper Guy. You can you can refer to them in a lot of different ways. And he's with us now, greetings, Hey, how you doing, Morley, I'm.

1:49 Doing great, doing great. Yeah, it's been it's been a little while this time. I guess it's probly in several weeks. I know, your hectic schedule. It's yeah, you know, it's I do a lot of these conversations. They all sort of blend into each other. I know how that is. And I only do you know, one or two a week, so it uh, but but I do the live stuff in store every day, so it's like that's like doing another broadcast in many days, and sometimes multiples in a row, you know, on different topics. You're you're always on stage.

2:30 So how has it? Everything been good? Good? Absolutely good. The research doesn't stop. What I learned, the universe seems to enjoy my picking around rewards me really good. Yeah, it's absolutely fascinating. And one of the things I learned recently is that that there's you know, you have a front door to your store, right, you probably have a back door too, Yeah, and felt it like that with your home you have a front door and back door. But turns out that people have heard of hem iron, and they've heard of non he iron, but they didn't know that they were that different. But they really are different. And it turns out that the cell has two front doors and two back doors.

3:30 That interesting. Yeah, there's a there's a heme doorway in and out, and there's a non heme doorway in and out. And it is absolutely amazing. And so just to round out the analogy, think of hem iron as being round tires and non hem iron being square tires. Hmmm, what do you want to work with? Right? Right, exactly? And so the hem iron is organic and the non hem iron is inorganic, and in these work in order to be used. And it's it's absolutely fascinating to see how I mean, I've been doing fifteen years of research and just in the last couple of weeks came upon this mind numbing information that I've never known about. So it's just it's amazing. And the research, when you get into the iron research, it's all about the non heam side.

4:32 There's very little research on the heam side. And so yeah, they believe I mean. Well, and I bet you've got clients that are that are eating a carnivore diet, not just your pet clients, but your human clients, and they probably feel better when they're on a carnivore diet, and there's a there's a reason for that because they can work with the heam I are better than they can work with the name. It's it's really it's it's like a parallel universe we didn't even know about. So the confusion around that and all of this fortification iron fortification, right, that's all on the nona inside.

5:21 Yeah, you know, I tried to explain a lot of that when we get clients coming in and you know, if you've been in an iron supplement, and it's like, you know, the answer to that, they all have been. And in fact, I expect the question hopefully to pop up here. I was talking with a client earlier today and she just got back blood work and they always tell her she's an emic, and today her blood work came back that it's like supercharged with iron. What went on? Yeah, you wanted an answer. I'm hoping the question pops up. But anyway, because I got opened the door for them here. But it's like one of the other things that I I stumbled on about two weeks ago, because we do obviously do a lot.

6:09 We talk a lot about gut biome and you know, the bacteria and everything else. And I've been forever, I've been saying, you know that if you don't have all that bacteria that could but you know, and good bacteria and even bad bacteria for that matter of fact, but if you don't have bacteria in your diet and in your in your gut, you're dead. And I was introduced to a research, uh paper that came out and that was kind of mind boggling that now they found that not only is that bacteria that that gut biome breaking down our foods and making it more usable, but they are actually producing vitamins and minerals. Basically taking the spot that you're that's a bacteria means you don't have to take supplements anymore. And it was, it really was, and it's like it makes sense, you know, because they're synthesizing just like we are. You know, even though it's on a microscopic basis, but you know, our body can make different vitaminsine isolate, different minerals just through different digestive and biochemical actions that are going on inside the body. And you know, of course we have to feed that bacteria.

7:26 That's the other good thing about that. We have to feed it with the right stuff. Right. It doesn't bacteria cannot make minerals. They can make vinings. Yeahs no, they can. You know. That's more I think more about isolating them into a usable form than anything else, right, Yeah, Yeah, the minerals are going to be there no matter what. Yeah, you should I should have. I should introduce you to my friend Martha Carlin, who specializes in microbiome and she actually has a product called sugar Shifted, which is just amazing for helping to restore the mean and she is to the microbiome what I am to the mitochondria. So, okay, we have this constant tug of war about it's kind of a Jane Curtain dan Ackroyd thing, like who's who's who's top dog, And we've kind of just decided that we're both right, and the minerals are essential to make the microbiome work. That's really they've come down. And I think people don't realize how mineral deficient the food is that they're eating. And they may have the may have the microbes, but are they being properly charged with the minerals that's.

8:46 The key question. Yeah, it's an interesting thing. A note to my h engineer. I'm getting that feedback again. Okay, going like that technical glitch there, but yeah, what's that? Nope, I didn't say that, Yep, okay it No, it's interesting that you know, people there's like amazed, and of course their doctors and their healthcare professionals and that sort of thing are amazed when Okay, you know you've been ANEMAC all this time, and you know we keep giving you supplements. Obviously now they're working because now you're not a nam anymore.

9:29 You know, you get this iron spike. But now I think you have. To you have to get into the weeds of it to find out what's going on because there are three different containers from iron. There's there's a bucket that's holding the hem of globe and that's eighty percent of the iron in the body. It's a big bullets of irons in the hem of blob. And then there's a tea cup that's holding ferretin. But the ferretin's supposed to be inside the cell. It's not supposed to be in the blood. So if rriton is suddenly flooding into the bloodstream. That's a completely different set of questions and factors. And then there's a third container that's a thimble, and that's serum iron.

10:14 Sometimes it's called total iron, sometimes it's just called iron. And that's the iron in transit between the spleen and the bone marrow to make me red blood cells. So we get this bucket, the teacup, and then a little tiny thimble, because that's less than one percent of the iron in the body is in transit, and doctors of all faiths and persuasion don't know that there's a difference between a bucket, a teacup, and a thimble. And it's important to know what of those three or all three showing signs of low or high or are they just out of regulation. So it's really really important to understand the context. And the part is absolutely not to what is that all three containers were regulated by copper and that that's just theoretical to say that that's a fact.

11:11 So yeah, yeah, it's you know, when you said you had a bunch of new information for us and that sort of thing. You know, I'm always looking to learn obviously myself, and how can we you know, pass us on to our clientele and that sort of thing. It's will just I'm amazed at the amount of information that's coming out and that we're finally starting to see but getting it into a format where the average consumer, the average person can understand it or even care about it. In many cases, you know, you know, my doctor said, my blood work is fine, what do I do? Okay? Nothing, okay, But really you still need to take a look at that lifestyle. You still got to look at what you're eating and putting into that body because it can change quite quickly. Because those parameters like on blood work and that sort of thing, they're really not that accurate. It's a snapshot in time at that moment. If you will could be damaged, it could be tainted. We don't know.

12:15 It's influenced by a lot of other things. And you know, fifteen minutes from now, you know, if it wasn't in such vague terms, you might see radical changes in just a short period of time. Now, just that fight or flight was getting the putting the needle in to extract the blood that changes the chemistry in itself. Yeah, I mean I donated blood today and Levana said, no, this is gonna it's gonna be a little little tringe, and I'm like, go ahead. I didn't. I didn't feel the needle go in, but I'm sure at the sight of the entry there was a reaction, some adrenaline that was being pumped out. But yeah, I think people don't realize how vulnerable we are to emotions and how powerful they are to shift the biochemistry the body. It's a nassy change that can make place.

13:13 Yeah, and you know, of course we're trying to balance so much of what we do with the diet, the diet itself and of course herbs and botanicals. I had a new client today, in fact, that dug with cancer. They sent him to an oncologist that wanted to try a three drug cocktail basically on this dog and give it three weeks and nothing is happening, nothing has changed. And I said, what are you looking at though, you know you're not doing anything. And fortunately they went to one of my colleagues that's more in tune with what we do, told her she has to be on the heatogenic diet. You know, we got to get that species appropriate diet and everything else. So I have to assume that she wasn't on that already. You know that the ontologists obviously had no clue on it. When she did ask about different other herbals or more natural ways, they just said, we know nothing about that. There's no that Eastern medicine doesn't talk to Western medicine. And it's not it's not even Eastern Western. It's not the difference in philosophy that way, although there are a lot of philosophical differences, but it's just overall health and well being and basically life isn't it?

14:30 Well, it is, and I think with as socially when it comes to cancer, the whole corner someone of cancer treatments. We've got to kill the cancer self. There, you don't, that's not that's not the answer. Got to rehabilitate the cancer because because what cancer metabolism represents is a very early life form, I mean early a long time ago, is when iron dominated the planet and relied on fermenting sugar for fuel, and that's not the way we're designed. So when someone's been given that diagnosis, that means that there's a very significant regression in their metabolism in that particular area, whether it's an oregon or you know where it might be taking place in the skin and what have you. And so that's that's something for people to realize, is that the whole philosophical framework is flawed because it's all based on killing the cancer, not trying to restore metabolism.

15:37 Yeah, it's in fact, it's interesting the uh uh, the people that put out the documentary you know, Truths about Cancer just came out with an update and a lot of other things. And it's the only description I can give it when it comes to the allopathic model versus you know, a more natural approach and uh, you know, basically looking is it becoming an all out war? Oh? You know, and I'm seeing that with comments that you know, clients are telling me in house. It's like, you know, first off, if you've got if they diagnosed cancer, you've got two weeks to live. It doesn't matter what unless you do what I say. It's that that level of fear that's entered into it, and you know, the average person just going to panic.

16:28 Oh absolutely, and so throughly with all the turbino cancers right now, that's that's only adding to the fear. But it continues to rise. It's going to be the number one cause of death probably within the next year or two, it's getting very close to heart disease and that's not a good thing. And completely misunderstanding about what's going on. And of course they the conventional cardio a conventional on calls just love to blame copper for the problem. And it's like do flies cause garbage? No, that we're trying to blame that the flies for causing this this dynamic.

17:16 It's just it's insane, it really is. And it's you know, it's not an easy solution for the average person because they're looking, you know, they're looking at their doctor for answers, and they're really they're not getting answers. That's you know, that are going to be on you know that they're going to actually see tangible results with most of the times, especially with cancer. Right they're being given protocols but no explanation. Yeah, And I actually wrote an article a month ago, two months ago on how protocols in medicine and health really don't work that well because once you start making the changes of the body, the whole body's changing, So the protocol's got to change, doesn't it.

18:07 Of Course, what's really interesting if you want to get into the history of cancer. I mean a lot of people know about Auto Warburg and his fascination. I mean he really studied three things. He studied cancer, photosynsuses, and he studied the mitochondria intensely because they were all related. It's really fascinating to think about that those three functions are all have common overlap. But he was studying it in the nineteen twenties very intensely. And in nineteen twenty six he and Johannes Fibager were being considered for a Nobel Prize to see what was the cause of cancer, and Warburg was arguing that it was metabolic and Fivager said it was a parasite, and the committee couldn't decide who was right. They didn't actually award the Nobel Prize in nineteen twenty six. It was awarded the next year and they gave it to Fibger, and Warburg went bonkers, absolutely bonkers. And what's even more fascinating is that before all this psychodrama, there was a physician who got his degree at Hopkins, his MD de Great Hopkins in nineteen oh nine. His name was Montrose T. Burrows. Is that

19:40 a great name or what attempted to change my name here you go. But he in nineteen twenty five, he was working at the Rockefeller Institute. Okay, so everyone's finer should be taking air bright about man. And he wrote an article in nineteen twenty five proving that parasite excuse me, proving that retinal deficiency was the true cause of cancer. And then in nineteen twenty six he came out with four articles reaffirming his position. That's a lot of articles back in the day. And then we've got this fight with Woolburg and then Fivinger after he gets the Nobel he recounts his whole theory about parasites, and he writes an article reinforcing what Montrose is talking about with retinal deficiency, and then he's dead four months later. But the thing is, retinol.

20:45 Retinal is so important to our diet, and people don't realize the role that it plays in the breakdown A bit about you. All right, we're at the break here. Let's go to this quick break and then let's get into this a lot more heavily. We'll be right back. Does your pets suffer from allergies, cancer, digestive issues, poor joint and skin problems? These can be from poor nutrition, and My Palio Pet can help. Don't let your pets suffer for poor diet and nutrition. At my Paleo Pet, we provide fresh human brain USDA approved biocomplete raw food entrees for dogs and cats. Whether you're looking for healthy food for dogs or natural herbs for pets, we provide you with exactly what they need to live a happy and healthy life. Our raw food for pets surpasses traditional raw dog food and cat food that you find in your local pet store. Our raw food is made fresh on the premises, source from local suppliers, and are made with only the utmost quality with specific nutritional and functional benefits.

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23:02 Five hundred to speak with our friendly staff today. Let my Paleo Pet help keep your pet heapier and healthier. And welcome back to the Pet Health Cafe to show where your pet has a voice. This is build a Pet Health Guru along with my special guest Morley Robbins. And that was I mean, when you were talking about there was really really fascinating about you know what the actual cause of cancer is now when we look at the at the body and you know the metabolic part of it actually being the cause, and of course the controversy with parasites. If the body was off metabolically, parasites could very well be present as well, because they have now the opportunity the body can't fight them.

23:59 That's right. I think from what I know from alternative practitioners who do a lot of work in oncology progressive oncology, they pretty well recognize that that pathogens, but especially parasites are involved in that process. It makes sense. And so if you follow the work of Pat Colby, the animal farmer down Under, she was very emphatic about how copper deficiency would allow parasites to flourish. Well, it makes more sense. And the flip side is, if you have parasites, you've got copper deficiency. As much as they want to blame cancer on coppa, I think it's really it's a lack of copper that's causing the crisis. And you know, we don't need to get into all the details, but I think there's a gross misunderstanding of what's happening from mineral standpoint.

25:01 And the part that's lost over completely is conventional oncology doesn't talk about the iron accumulation that's taking place in the two. The iron is building, building building, it's getting stuck there. And I was reading an article today that was absolutely fascinating. Explain exactly what happens, and it's just there's a complete breakdown of the recycling system in the in the cells and it's all mineral driven and when the iron builds up, chaos ensues and it's it's really it's a very intriguing area of science that I'd never really studied that much until recently.

25:46 Yeah, it's interesting. There's been a lot a lot of activity online with with of course raw pet food diets and stuff like that. I fact, it was a conference in Orlando this past week that I would kind of monitoring virtually, But there's been a lot of talk about copper. When we look at the kibble you know, dry food model that veterinarians follow all the time, and we look at the at the fresh prey, fresh meat diets that uh, so many people are moving to, they're talking so much about regulating the copper, making it a part of the recommendations and something. Because they're talking so much about toxic copper toxicity, which is one of the first things that I talked with you about, and you know, you just spilled that notion to me that it's just in the wrong form. And of course when they're adding copper to a Uh, for instance, a pet food diet. What form are they adding it to? Is it usable?

26:55 You know, I think it would be accumulated form, and I would think it would be usable. I think what what's not well understood is there are two copper pumps inside our body. And they're not like a hand crank dump that they're really tiny. But many of ourselves have these pumps. And when they talk about copper toxicity, it's a complete misnomer. They're not revealing the fact that the pumps aren't working right. Well, why aren't the pumps working right? Well, too much iron it's going to cause them their rusty, but too little rets and al doesn't activate them. And so they're blaming copper for metabolic events that are completely out of the purview of copper. And what I read recently is and this is we're getting into some pretty esoteric stuff, Bill. But there's a whole few of science called physical chemistry, which I don't I just know that when I was in college, the smartest people in the class all took p can. These people are brilliant and copper.

28:14 We know copper has two oxidation states or two valences plus one plus two. Well, it turns out, under the right conditions, it can have a plus three and that plus three is it has some very unique properties to it that have been misinterpreted as causing oxidative stress, when in fact that's not what it's doing at all. And this is an article that I just I came across business past week that actually some colleagues in mine came across it and it brought it to my attention, and it's like, it's mind blowing because it will completely redefine all of this litay. And it says, oh, look, copper toxes is causing heart disease, comproduxes is causing cancer, coppertoxes is causing degeneration, and it's because they don't understand this third state of copper and what it what it's doing inside.

29:16 It's not it's not reactive. It's just doing its thing and it's bringing energy into the into the cell. That's being completely misunderstood. It's absolutely fascinating. Well, you know, and that's the whole thing about the mineral, the mineral thing itself, you know, I mean we look at it, you know, we look at it obviously in some in the ionized water that we do and things of this nature that we have to have those minerals in a usable form. And unfortunately, when we look when we look at supplements or even liked on some of these uh, water filters and things of that nature, they're using more synthetics and improper forms of minerals, which when you we when we do that, you know we're binding up good stuff at the same time, aren't.

30:03 We conceivably potentially, Yeah, I guess as it relates to the pet food, does anyone ever question the iron fortification of pitt food because I'm sure they're doing it. It's not just human foodifying. Right, Yeah, Well, I mean basically when you look at kibble, I mean, you know, two hundred different chemicals for what I mean. They're not all preservatives obviously, and you know they list some of them that are supposedly more either vitamin or mineral base. But even when we look at adding those in what what what what form are they in? And how were they you know, what did they come from?

30:46 You know, obviously iron from rust is not going to be the same as iron that's in you know, in your food. Well, I certainly hope not. But yeah, I've I've never thought about the iron fortification from the pets standpoint, But I just know that there's I've had several pets growing up right now, I don't ever remember pets being so sick when I was younger, and now there seems to be this rampid, chronic malaise in pets. So it's maybe have their genes changed that much or has their diet changed that much?

31:28 Mostly yes, mostly the nutritional factors that we look at, and of course the chemical toxicity with all the fact you know, different medications of different protocols, all of that sort of thing that they are put through. Those chemicals, no matter what form they're put into the body, have to be they're interacting with everything that's in the biochemistry of the body itself. So you're going to have changes. Are they going to be on a positive side or the negative side? And that's where I mean, I'm seeing I'm getting calls more and more and more all the time from animals from pet owners that are talking about their two year old and three year old dogs that I mean basically are already at death's door and how can we save them? And you know, the answers they're getting in you know, conventional medicine aren't addressing it in any shapeway or form. It's just try another drug. We'll try this, we'll try this, we'll try this. Why don't want you to try anything? I mean, either do or don't do, you know, I think that should be the approach.

32:36 It's taken. Well. I think that the diet is a huge factor. And it's just I've noticed that as I talked with clients, they'll inevitably talk about their pets. It's fascinating how that becomes a part of the conversation is amazing. And how fragile the pets are on these days. Yeah, I mean when you look at it, I mean, you know, you and I have talked, you know about the sources of iron and copper, you know, and what we need to be eating, you know, a good a good grass finished steak and of course beef liver and other livers as well. How that's bringing in what we need. And yet when you look at most commercial pet foods, I mean, even if even if they use some of those components there you are cooked four or five six times, what's really left of them, you know, in the usable form, which is why they have to do supplementation on top of it, and again, you know, we're at that same thing.

33:34 I mean, when you first look started looking at the copper and the iron, how many different supplements did you look at? And how many different forms of each one of those products did you have to go through before you even started to figure out which was a good one to use in your own formulations? You know, No, it's it's a very delicate process, as you will do. I think the the fact that there's this lingering narrative about copper toxicity and retsinal toxicity should tell people that that's what we need. The fact that it's been labeled as being toxic means it must be really important because we're living in a world of duality and everything's backwards now, and so if people are being quote unquote educated, they got to be careful of this copper thing. That would mean I guess I really need a lot of it. And I was reading an article today, very prestigious article talking about copper and the surulo plasmid protein that I love to talk about, and they're mentioning that the copper ions gets secreted into this into the bloodstream and then it gets transported by it ruloplasma and that the eruloplasma streams pointing approximately ninety five percent of

35:08 these copper ions to support the physiology of the body. Well Bill, that's a bold faced lie. The amount of copper in the blood is one percent. Ninety nine percent of the copper is in the tissue that they can't measure. Yeesh, it's in the enzymes, it's in the mitochondria. That that's a I just came across the research just in the last few weeks. Can you hold that till after your break? Is work work? Right? Now? Let's go, let's take care of that. Okay, we'll be right back. Ter this quick message. Absolutely, we all want our pets to be as healthy as possible. My Pello pet is the answer. Let us help relieve your pet of ear infections, elegies, scratching and itching, diabetes, joint problems, cancer, and other ailments by providing our naturally raised raw clift or frozen biocomplete natural diet n trees that are custom formulated to be species specific and USDA approved.

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37:32 And then we're back here in a pet health cafe to show where your pet as a voice. This is build a Pet Health Gurgule along with my special guest more Lee Robbins. Again like subscribe and share this wherever you can. Questions are always uh enjoyed in the chat room. Now, you were telling you were starting a story, which I mean, you're You're just so great at the way you explain so much of this. Wells I think there's so much confused usion around where are these minerals. And so this very high profile article is saying, oh, ninety five percent of the coppers in the blood. No, it's not it's absolutely not true, and it's only one percent of the copper is found in the blood in the tissue, and it's very interesting. Paul Cobine over at Auburn University in two thousand and four and two thousand and six was the guy that figured out there's fifty thousand atoms of copper inside the minochondra, which is a really big deal. That's a lot of lot of copper, and there are a lot of mitochondris as you know. Well, it gets even more exciting is that apparently the Russians didn't get the memo that we're not supposed to tell us what the coppers attached to.

38:51 And so in two thousand and five, in between those two studies, doctor Putschkova said, oh, yeah, there's zeruloplasma in the in the mitochondria, in the matrix of the minor comeslics a little swimming pool inside the mitochondria. It's like, oh my gosh, that's amazing. There's ceruloplasma and so where we've been I've read I probably read a thousand articles on copper. It's always talking about seruloplasma in the blood, seruloplasma and the bloods rule plasma in the blood, And now I find out it's in the mitochondria. It's like it's like, you know, playing the game of clue and realizing that the you know, the you know the bartender, didn't you know up in the attic and you didn't know that. No, it's just insane that the optics are all about look here, look here, look here, when in fact, the truth is it's not where you think it is.

39:47 And I think what I also read today, and I've read this before, but this was a pretty definitive study that whenever there's mitochondrial dysfunction, it's a very popular phrase today. A lot of pundents love to talk about minochondria dysfunction, it's a sign of copper deficiency. And we're back to that copper inside the matrix. And so this idea that copper is toxic is just laughable. It's it's just a very unfortunate time that we find ourselves in the people are being spooked relentlessly by the system and by ill informed practitioners. We just don't know the mechanics of minimal metabolism.

40:34 Well, you know, I mean we get about eight minutes left here. The average the average person that wants to be healthy, Okay, they go to their doctor, their anemic and your copper toxic and who knows how many other different things. Right, what would be the best what would be the best approach for these these individuals to get themselves back on a path. First off, I guess to figure out what part of what they were just told was true and what was what was fabricated? And now how do we correct it without just you know, destroying the body. And you know, because everybody's worried about side effects.

41:16 Well I think you know, within the Root Cosse protocol, we have what are called stops and starts, and so we I think the easiest thing for people to do. You can find the stops and starts just doing a Google search. It's about twelve of each and people will be surprised to find out, oh wow, I'm not supposed to be taking this and this and this and this No, because it's not going to help you. But one of the things we really advocate is real food and eating like our ancestors did, eating the diet that's has profiled in the Western eight price community. And I think the people are frequenting your store are going to be doing some adaptation of the incestral. Certainly their pets are, and very often the owners are doing it as well. And so then beyond that, they've got to deal with their emotional stress, very very important. And then of course we get into the minerals, and we really emphasize the importance and minerals in the liquids that you're drinking and making sure that you're getting the magnesium as you're getting the copper, and we have forms that we recommend in the handbook.

42:31 But I think also people need to realize that there are things like something they called the adrenal cocktail that are very nourishing with the adrenals to help bring people back online after they've been stressed out. So there's some very practical steps that are laid out that have worn the test of time, because we're coming up on almost a decade now of doing this protocol and it's helped a lot of people regain their mojo. So I think that's a great place to start, and people can get the information by downloading the handbook, they can get the information by buying the book. There's different ways to get it.

43:17 And there's there's a brand new video out there called The Companion Course where Christine Kershaw goes into some very important detail about how to adopt this more targeted lifestyle that's based around real food in real minerals. And I think people find that very helpful. Yeah, and you know the whole thing. You know, real food, of course has always been the key to you know, what we've done with the dogs and cats and you know, our pats sort of we recommend, but it is more and more important with with people as well. And I know that one of the issues that we run a us all the time, of course is this you know, attitude about you know, plant based. Everything's got to be plant based and it you know, well, it's got all the vitamins and minerals. It says it's got all the vitamins and minerals in it, but are they really available?

44:15 Can you break through that cell that sell wall to be able to extract them out of plants? And you know, we've got about three minutes here. It makes a tough run a body to work. That doesn't it. It does. And so the thing is the plants are very important to the diet, but as an exclusive diet, I don't think it makes sense because first of all, the iron implants is inorganic, it is non heme. So we're going back to those square tires. Square tires, thank you very much. You're not going to get the right kind of copper, and you're not going to get the animal based that. The retinol is absolutely imperative in order to fire up the copper pumps, to load up the copper enzymes to regulate the body. It's that's the priming mechanism is retinol and beta carotene is not retinol takes twelve beta carotene to equal the action of one retinol, and the enzyme to convert beta carotene into retinol in our gut is copper dependent. So there's very I mean, we're not we don't want to get into no dietary wars here, but people need to understand that there's a there's value in a balanced diet. There's a reason why our ancestors had a varied diet that they were called omnivores for a reason.

45:48 That's right, Okay Morley, you know we're in the last minute here. Where can people reach you? What should they be looking for to improve their health? And where do we go from here? Well, they can check me down on the newcos Protocol dot com, r c P one two three dot org. Uh, there's a lot of social media, the Magnesium Advocacy Group, there's a there's a Facebook page called the RCP page. But if people need to reach out to me personally, they can see my name. We'll just put at gmail dot com. Or you're welcome to call me at eight four seven nine two two eight zero sixty one. So as always, I appreciate the chance to dance on minds and have these types of enlightened conversations because it's it's a it's a struggle out there getting people in this, as you well know.

46:43 Yeah, absolutely, And of course my main information is all over the place. You can check check me out through pet health, GLU rules, through my paleopad. By the way, next time you come, we're going to need more books because we're just about sold out. That's why I was asking pre pre show when you were coming down with anyway. I'll get some down to you don't worry about. All right, no problem, and because we just keep obviously you know, the books go out because we're talking about the product and that sort of thing. And of course we've got this, you know, the supplements that you you help formulate and work on to help those that want to go on the more supplement based rather than the whole food based. So with that being said, I appreciate you being on. Always a pleasure. Thank you very much, and we'll talk again soon in the same format.

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