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Are supplements what they say they are? Helpful or dangerous?

Are supplements what they say they are? Helpful or dangerous?
Are supplements what they say they are? Helpful or dangerous?
Pet Health Cafe'
Are supplements what they say they are? Helpful or dangerous?

Are the supplements you buy for your pets and yourself what they are marketed as? Do they really help? Do they bring other issues with them? What do they really contain? Could they be more harmful than good?
Lot's of questions answered here!

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Are the supplements you buy for your pets and yourself what they are marketed as? Do they really help? Do they bring other issues with them? What do they really contain? Could they be more harmful than good?
Lot's of questions answered here!

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0:00 Any health related information on the following show provides general information only. Content presented on any show by any host or guests should not be substituted for a doctor's advice. Always consult your physician before beginning any new diet, exercise, or treatment program. Then now it's time for Pet Health Cafe where your Pet has a Voice. And here's your host, Bill the Pet Health Guru, And welcome to Pet Health Cafe, a show that your pet has a voice.

0:47 This is a Bill the Pet Health Guru, along with my special guest host after Michael Dim. How are we doing, Doc, I'm doing well. Bill. How are you doing this week? Oh? Not too bad? You know, busy week again, you know, everything just kind of going crazy as always, and of course the months, the monsoons that we had down here. The last couple of days. Oh my god, yeah, I know, I know. I can't see you on the screen. I was going to say, your your your picture is static right now. I guess we may have an issue going on here. Mm hmm, I no, I just see your okay, you know kind of your advertising click on health articles. Oh okay, Uh, the engineer said, there's a word audio for whatever reason, right, now I don't know what's going on, but we'll just start pushing me like we always do. We can hear you both perfectly. Fine, we can see Bill. It's just doctor Demi is frozen, but we can hear him. So it'll work out. Okay, it'll work out. I am okay, I see that. Okay, hopefully not physically. I can always go back in, go off and come back in. I mean, I try that, however, we want to do that. So anyway, you know, while we're trying to work out these technical things, as always, you know, we want to spread the message

2:22 around. We would like anybody watching and listening, you know, to like and subscribe and to share with as many people as you can. That boosts up in the algorithm so that you know, we can do a better job and get the information out there that we need to do. Yeah, now you're back. Yeah, So, and of course, as always, you can always comment in the comments section, so we can see your questions and you know, your comments obviously and hopefully answer at least some of some of them on the air. And of course we can also you know, set up consultations and things like that they answer your individual questions, so tonight, I wanted to talk a little bit, and you know, I've been kind of not a soapbox here on vitamin supplements and mineral supplements, the straight things and how they can actually you know, I'm asking the question are they really safe? And are they really doing what they're supposed to do. I know you've been a supplement guy for a long time, and you know, you know what, you know, how does did they really always help? Or do you sometimes have to like have your little battles and between brands and yeah, you know, kind of trained as a conventional vet, they kind of you know, I mean obviously when I first got out of school, in the first several years of holistic practice, you know, traditional vets really didn't

3:53 use many supplements. I mean it took them, you know, decades to get on even from their perspective. Supplements, the common ones like Omega three fatty acids or fish oils or probiotics, those would probably be the two that I say that we're the ones that kind of were initially kind of came on board with the Western medical community. And you know, over my years, I certainly have used those type of products and along with obviously fresh botanicals and glandulars and those kind of things. But you know, certainly in the western medical model, they're looking at, you know, marketing a supplement for a particular problem. Sure, yeah, it's you know, you know, and that brought us up in previous shows and that sort of thing that if you're buying the supplement, you know you're going and you're trying to get down to and I want to talk more about the core type things, the you know, the elemental type you know, supplements iron and calcium and zinc and things of that nature. And then of course on the vitamin side, you know, you got vitamin A, D and E and you know, all these separate vitamins, but are they really separate or is it part of something different?

5:18 Yeah? No, I mean, of course we look at things as functional units and nutrients working together in the body. And certainly, like you said, there's been a trend to more use isolated minerals and think you're going to get the same results as you would in a more you know, food based type product, which I'm sure you'll get into, you know, And that's a big part of it that when I was doing the research on this, I pulled up a few different vinamins and things like that. Yeah, the question down there is if you're eating all you don't need vitamin supplements. That it's true. And the other comment that was before that, are there, you know, supplements for pats and of course they've been marketed that way.

6:04 Are they actually different though than what we are really looking at, you know, between the pet stuff and the people's stuff or that's all the same. Yeah, it's very similar. Like you said, you know, they are marketing you know, usually isolates that they think are going to have certain benefits, and it really isn't much different than what's in the human side of things. I mean, you know, there's labs now that are testing for vitamin D in animals because deficiencies have been linked with problems like heart disease and other issues. So they're looking an inflammatory bowel disease. So there are labs now looking at you know, measuring these things and then if they're low, then supplementing with mainly the vitamin that's low. So it's still a very fragmented system where it's not really looking at the whole, it's looking at parts of the system. Right now, I happen to pull up on my computer a vitamin or calcium supplement by one of the major companies out there, and I'm looking through it and it lists calcium, of course as an ingredient, and it's basically calcium carbonate. It could be any other form of calcium. How absorb it is that? How usable is that in the body in that form?

7:32 Yeah, I mean I would imagine not very because it's isolated. It's not really how calcium comes into the body or is metabolized around the body. So certainly not a natural way of providing a nutrient like that. Yeah. Well, and of course we know that, you know, calcium is a good one to start with because calcium is tied to your magnesium and manganese and phosphorus, and you need all kinds of enzymes and vitamin D three K two just to make it work. So if those aren't present, would this supplement really work? No? And that's a big one where calcium supplements, you know, are often used and you know, pregnant or lactating animals, and often I hear my colleagues recommend, you know, tombs to nursing, you know, to lactating moms, And you're right, I mean, how absorbable.

8:28 Are these things? It's just the mentality that you know something's deficient and you have to give that. But it doesn't come into play all that and all those interactions of the nutrients you just mentioned. Yeah, no, I'm still looking at the same label. And of course other ingredients and this isn't a soft gelt, soybean oil, gelatin glycerine, soylectin, water color added, and white bees wet. No are any of those nutritionally sound for our body or for our pets. Yeah, you're right. Those fillers, I mean, whatever they are, certainly don't play a role in my opinion, that's for sure. Yeah, okay, Yeah, differently do the same thing, aren't they. Yeah, it's basically the difference is labeled and probably the cost well, I mean, yeah, the cost. I mean. One of the biggest examples of vitamin injections for our animals is vitamin B twelve, and uh, you know, it's a common injection that's used for animals with bowel disease or to increase their energy or their appetite. And the injections also come with other preservatives in them, and other adjuncts, not adjivant, but

10:00 adjuncts that are really serving no purpose in the body and are synthetic compounds, I guess, just to preserve the vitamin B twelve. So that's the most that's the most common one that I see in conventional that practice is the use of B twelve. Now there's another good question that these things go into the meat of I'm assuming of food animals, and does it pass three humans when they eat them. Any chemical that's in the in that core animal and all in toxins and things like like faucet, I've got phase eight and classif eate and round up, synthetic and secticides, all of that. Yes, that's going to be being transferred through into the muscle of the animal. And that's what we're reading is primarily muscle meat. I guess some of the organs would be able to you know, expel some of it. But yeah, that's why we're looking at, you know, just grass finished animals, pasture raised animals wherever we can, and of course i'm clean clean land, which is almost impossible to find today too. Yeah, it's a serious issue. And like I say, you know, we're being bombarded then with the supplement and the vitamin additives. Let's say you know, we're raising beef candle and we're supplementing them with not only grains, but different mineral supplements, different vitamin supplements.

11:31 Are those going to transfer through those chemicals as well? Absolutely sure, you know, but it's all regulated. I know, the FDA is looking out for us, and we shouldn't get to worry about anything, right right. You know. The other the other common supplement and traditional vet practice are the joint supplements, So the common ones glucosamine and MSM, you know, rather than giving whole herbs or botanicals to help with the joint and pain and inflammation. And again, these are synthetic compounds that the idea is to replace the natural part of these substances in the body. And uh, you know, like you said, when you look at the labels of these things, there's so much more in there than glucosamine or MSM. Sometimes they'll throw in a little bosquelia, but they're all you know, not pure products, no, not even close. And you know, to go back to again to the same kelcium label. How was it? You know, soybean oil is that non gmo? Is that organic? Is it? What method of extraction do they use? What stabilizers are in that product that are are not labeled.

12:54 So many oils today because it will go rans so fast have to have uh different preservatives and stabilizers and even various colors added to it. The same thing with the gelatine. We don't know with what type of gelatin it is. Is it an animal base? Is a plant based? Right? These are all questions water, I mean water, is it you know, is it sewage water? Is it regular tap water? Is it clinically you know? Is it a living water? You know, like an ionized water. Everything is like not explained at all. And yet again supposedly this all goes through a process of regulation that's supposed to make you know, they're supposed to be able to make certain claims. And I don't see any of that there, right, right, good point. And you know that's the basis of the supplement industry. And like I said in my profession, it's basically using compounds like that. You know, it's very hard to find traditionals that practices that are using foods and botanicals and herbs, and you know, they're just using these supplements quote unquote with the ingredients that you're talking about now, you know, when we look at and because people probably don't even think about this part of it. When you buy, especially a kibble or a commercially made

14:28 pet food, there is these vitamin and mineral supplements added to it. And again, so we're doubling down in the food and we're adding in more. Again, we don't have any explanation is what these supplements are. Usually they'll list a few of them on the package if they're supposedly like in this case calcium. You know, they might say it's calcium from x y Z Labs. Again, you know, they mean him every bit of these ingredients in there and even more. And that's in the commercial foods. So we are giving those even unbeknownst to the pet owner. What all is in it?

15:13 And you know I've been posted with the question many many times over the last twenty years of doing raw diets commercially. Is like, after two three months on the feeding struct transforming it like Bill, where's it all getting its nutrients? Where's the cat getting its nutrients? Well? It better be in the food, shouldn't it, right? Right? I mean, isn't that the purpose of food is to provide nutrition to the animal in the biologically appropriate way, right, No, they're so used to that brainwashed you know, like you said, Spiel that the commercial foods have everything they need in them. They're balanced, they've got the added vitamins in it. In fact, one of my conventional vet colleagues who I spoke to recently, you know, he was arguing with me about how can you recommend a raw diet? And I said, well, the results are you know, in clinically in the patients.

16:07 One of the people at the Venory office raises Great Danes and they've been on raw diets their whole lives, no problems. You know, they're currently eight nine, ten years old. Obviously that's not old, but for that breed conventionally raised, you know, that's that's a ripe old age. And when I said to him, well, what's the argument from the you know, conventional nutritionists about you know, the conventional nutritionists about how do you get around these quality ingredients of the corn and the gluten and the you know, like you said, the soy that's in these commercial pet foods. They know what their answer was. Their answer is, well, they're nutrients. We don't have to worry about the quality or whether they're carnivores or anything like that.

16:52 They're nutrients and they're used the same way. I mean, that was an amazing you know, and I could imagine I would have been going absolutely crazy, but I when look at it, and you know, to bring up that point when you're looking at the digestive system of carnivores and herbivores, that they're making very very specific enzymes and digestive products to extract what they well, the body really needs, what that system needs to be provided with, and when we give them something different, they have to try to make different biochemicals that their body's not supposed to do. Isn't that true? Yeah?

17:37 No, absolutely that it didn't involve to do. So you know, we make the body work a lot harder, you know, just like the idea of anything being cooked, you know, when we feed those and cooked and processed, right, we force their bodies to work extra hard to utilize these undigestible or partially digestible quote on quote nutrients like the allopathic bets try to argue, right, you know, I mean this example I always use with with dogs and of course with Kibbel. Of course, the carbohydrates dogs don't are not normally producing the MLAs that we have in our saliva to start to digest the process of breaking down carbs, and therefore the pancreas has got to work extra hard to start to make more and more and more of it because we've thrown off the body. And the side effect of that as well is because those carbons breakdown in the sugars, don't we have don't they have to then make a ton of insulin, absolutely, and then that leads to of course insulin deficiency eventually, and diabetes and pancreatitis and all these degenerative diseases that we see in everyday conventional practice. Yeah, it's you know, it's it's you know, we we have to keep going back to that basic and if it's not, if the nutrition is not in the core food, we're doing something wrong with the core food. And you know, because realistically, you know,

19:11 we should not have to supplement anything, should we No, No, everything should be in that food. And then, as you always say, the orbals and the botanicals they are foods too, they're not you know, people often consider those I mean supplements. Yeah, anything outside of the standard diet is looked upon as a supplement. But as you say all the time on frequent shows. The orbans and botanicals are foods. Yeah, absolutely, and I mean we treat them as that. I mean it's a it's a food that we eat smaller amounts of and we'll get into more of that after this quick commercial break that we're going to go to in like two seconds, we'll be right back. We all want our pets to be as healthy as possible. My Paleopet is the answer. Let us help relieve your pet of ear infections, elegies, scratching and itching, diabetes, joint problems, cancer, and other ailments by providing our naturally raised rock collect or frozen Biocomplete natural diet entrees that are custom formulated to be species specific and USDA approved. For more information, visitmipeliapet dot com. Are called nine five four nine seven one two five zero zero. Do you want to become a wholesale dealer or distributor

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21:45 We're discussing supplements and are they really what you're paying for and are they really beneficial to our pets and even to ourselves. You know, before the break we were talking a little bit about that the food actually should be the product in nature. Yes, they do. You know, we drink. They don't drink out of out of water bottles, plastic BPA lateen vessels. They drink out of puddles, and we would be drinking o the puddles and streams, and that's carrying natural minerals and natural vinamins along with it, it isn't it. Yeah? Sure? And uh. You know, that's why animals seek out certain things that their bodies need. It's like when they eat the grass, right they're cleansing their body, they're chlorophyll you know, or their guts out of balance. So animals tend to, you know, gravitate towards what they need, just like when you talk about how you know, they'll start eating you know, the herbs, and then when their bodies don't need them anymore, they they stop and they realize, you know, and then there's a wisdom that they you know, they don't need it anymore. You know. I get that all the time, and they you know, when animals when people say, well, he was eating herbs, bills herbs and he stopped, Well, I said, he probably doesn't need it anymore here or shake in. Yeah. I mean the same thing with even the different meats and the different foods. It's you know, I joke around all the time and with clients that I've got a world class roast chicken diet and everybody

23:18 loses weight on it because at the end of the first week and you'll say, Bill, you give me another piece of that chicken, I'm going to kill you because I'm sick. Of it, and we are physically said it because the body uses a good All food brings good and bed to the table, as you know. And when we used the good stuff right away, but the bad stuff, we have a tendency to hold on. Our got to try to get what's deficient in our body, that stuff that's lacking, and it's trying to extract these things. And you know, so it's we physically get ill because of that. And of course then at the end of that week, if I, if I turn around and you know, give you a good juicy burger or a nice piece of salmon, it's like, my god, the body says, I can get so much more out of this. Let me get rid of that sale chicken I got in my gut.

24:07 And you know, half a day we're running off to the bathroom going was that a salmonella burger or you know, bad fish? You know, No, it's somebody actually doing what it's supposed to do, isn't it. Yeah? No, sure, that's a good point. Yeah, I put a question down there. Okay, what was that question? The toopped of uh? With all things put into the air and water supply, should we trust a puddle a puddle drink while on a walk. We should be afraid of leptos barrosis, right Bill, Yes, Yeah, that was That was a topic of a few weeks ago, wasn't it. Yeah. I mean, look at our tap water? Is a puddle cleaner, dirtier than the tapwater? And why did they why did they smell? You know, you're walking down the street after a rainstorm and they smell twenty different puddles and they don't drink at all, and number twenty two you're sitting there yelling don't drink the dirty water. Right. They have an innate sense about what they need.

25:15 And if it's there sitting in the right minerals and it's not overly contaminated, they're probably gonna drink it. Yeah, but he's telling them to seen that many times. Sure, Like I said, there's a wisdom that the body knows that what it needs, and these animals certainly have that innate wisdom in their body to gravitate towards what they need and repel and reject what they don't need. Yeah. When we look at at the puddles that way too, especially if they're caused by by rainwater. That rain water is actually a form of ionized water, which is something that I talk about a lot.

25:57 It's living water, so you're even if there's some pollutants or some contaminants in it, the structure of the water itself is going to is going to be cleansing these contaminants out. Yeah, yeah, I agree. It's you know, it's nature has provided a very interesting, you know, approach to how we live. Do people have had the ability to know what their body needs. Absolutely, that's called cravings, But natural cravings, not the cravings from the food additives that are in junk food and processed food and that sort of thing, isn't it true? Yeah, No, that's certainly true. And of course, you know, the only adjunct with that is is when people are emotionally stressed or upset or anxious, you know, they're going to gravitate more towards you know, feeding, eating those foods like and those of course, especially this synthetic foods, the sweets, you know, the foods that have those food and you know, flavor enhancers, you know, and then we gravitate towards that. We get heavy, obese, we get ill.

27:11 But that's not a natural craving, that's an artificial craving. Based upon emotional stress, right, and of course why we under so much emotional stress. They can't make fools that we just stay in many cases, true, yeah, you know, we keep adding this stuff and it accumulates over time. And that's why, you know, when we're looking at different products to add to the diet, like natural herbs and botanicals, you know that we consider those to be foods, not supplements. Those are useful a lot of times in various forms of detoxification and very specific detoxification, aren't they. Yeah, no, sure, And you have those excellent herbils that you know are geared towards those specific detoxifications, whether it's the liver or the kidneys. And you know I use those herbs all the time in practice. I mean we all, we all, we all could use you know, liver detoxification, and our animals make a case that they can. We can detoxify every one of them. You know. The you know, the basic cause of lull disease is toxicity and deficiency. So if you're if we're feeding a food that we actually have to supplement with a bad supplement, we're adding actually more toxins in the form of like we were looking at the soy oil and things like that.

28:34 So we're actually complicating the whole process, and that's not going to create a healthy animal, is it. No? No, not at all, not at all. And you know the other part of that too, is when we try to push too much of one thing, it's going to throw the balance of all those other things out of out of whack, isn't it. Yeah, because that's the whole system, The whole undercrine system is designed to work as a whole, not as an individual part, right, as an integrative system. Sure. I mean that's what we talk about in different perspectives all the time, whether we're looking at sex hormones and it's their role in health, and like we spoke about last week, and the endocrine system working integratively, the nutrients of these animals, you know, in the body work the same way. And so when we artificially come in with a synthetic supplement or one vitamin, you know, it's not really you know, a harmonious product because it's putting tremendous stress. Not to mention you know, the the synthetic fillers that you mentioned with that product a few minutes ago, the calcium, It really whoops, we just that sorry about that. You know, we really put the body in havoc and you know the and it leads to illness and sickness. It's not just you know, the the products are in complete foods. It's it's putting the body out of balance, out of homeostasis, and when that happens, then we go into states of toxicity.

30:10 That's exactly right. And you know you mentioned too when I was briefly touching on the commercial foods they're supposedly complete in balance for basically all life you know, styles and life changes and life stages. But the body's dynamic. I mean, what the animal needs that sleep is sitting there on your couch right now. When he gets up when somebody knocks in the door and starts, you know, running around and barking and all of that. They're using up different nutrients just to maintain that activity, aren't they. Yeah, yeah, that's going to throw everything off, right, so exactly. And then not to mention feeding the same food day in and day out, not changing it, you know which most veterinarians recommend to clients just to feed the same the same diet, no variation. That does its own number on the body.

31:08 As we've talked about. Well, that's you know, that's the premise of my my roast chicken diet. And I think the veterinarians that are recommending the single food for the lifetime, I think we ought to put them on of my roast chicken diet. I just you know, I think they would be that would be a good thing, you know, do Actually I've done it in the store where I've said, you know, you want to know how your dog really feels or your cat really feels. Were doing that that carbohydrate you know mix that you're using. I want you to pick one brand of cereal, one flavor of cereal, and that's all you can eat for one week, dry dry. Right. That's a good point. Okay, make sure it's that right. And I can guarantee you that you will not be able to get through to through two distinct meals of doing that, no matter how hooked you are on junk food, because your body just says, hey, I can't do it anymore. I'm not going to do it right exactly now. Now, A good steak I might be able to do, you know, but even even even a great steak, I mean, you know, if you're eating file a all week long. It's going to be like, oh my god, I don't want another full life for another six months.

32:32 Oh not me. I would want it. I would want it every night. Well see, I have a tendency to one to one of uh some variety. So you can alternate between the filet and the good Delmonico and maybe some New York strips thrown in the now, and then then the good burger I like the steaks. Yeah, yeah, that's where the flavor is. Yeah, absolutely so. But you know, you go into a veto office, now, bill about the supplements. You know, they they're on the shelf there now, I mean they're I mean a clinic. I do some part time work, and they have you know, all these different as I said, Omega threes and you know, fatty acids. You know, they have probiotics, they have other synthetic supplements that you know, probiotics like I said, and you know it's and it's a second profit center in the office. Yeah. So yeah, and again I can go back to what we first said in a very beginning. If the pet food is marked as complete and balanced, and they're sellingess as complete and balanced and a lifestyle type.

33:57 You know food, which the so called prescription diets do. Where do the supplements come into that? You know, mosaic It doesn't make any sense right right, Well, it's a mindset, like you said, it's a mindset of the public, and it's a big industry. It's big money, just like you know the pet food industry. You know, the supplement business is right, it's huge, Yeah, it really is. And you know, now we're hungry. But it must have been talking about the steaks. That's it's usually the trigger, and that's actually what our dogs need, our cats need that they are carnivores and that's you know, that's they're fuel for every system and every sell in their body. And without that, you're going to have problems. We're going to be right back after this quick break.

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37:00 Back today, Let my Pelleo Pet help keep your pet peppier and helplier. All right, and we're back here in a Pet Health Cafe, the show where your pet has a voice. This is Build a Pet Health Gurule along with my special guest host, doctor Michael Dimm. Does your company have orders for holiday treats for for babies? We do do treats, but they're real treats. They're not highly decorated with sugars and colors and things like that.

37:42 Nature. I think the best treat for your dog is probably instead of giving him even just a raw regular raw diet, give one of those filets that doctor dim really loves to have. What do you think, Doc, Yeah, that'll really give them us the animalist smile on their face and it's good. Yeah, exactly. I mean that's about synthetic synthetic treats, right. I mean that's what they get at the at the local pet smart and you know all those decorated synthetic compounds that are sold, and just like it is for us in the supermarket. It's funny. I had a client in this week and one of one of our younger dogs all of a sudden had diarrhea for like two or three days in a row. And stools are always great.

38:35 They've been out of our diet forever and on some of our supplements and stuff like that, and she was just concerned that you know, maybe one, you know, one of the meats or one actually the some you know, one of the herbals was causing it because it's a small, smaller dog than the others. And she basically puts the same amount in the dishes, and this dog bounces from dish to dish that maybe I'm overdoing it with the supplements everything. And I said, that's not normally a factor, because you know, everbody's going to get rid of whatever's excess, and it doesn't mean if it's natural, it's not necessarily going to be as express, you know, in a real loose stool as it will be with some the synthetic compounds.

39:16 And I said, you know, we always have to worry about what we do in the household and stuff like that. And you know, I cleaned properly and all that. I said. One of the other items that I sometimes see that causes issues is essential oils. And I said, because all those oils when you're doing the you know, the us your diffuser, they all go up in a smell very very good, but they all end up down on the floor where the animals living. And she looked at me and her mouth dropped open and said, I haven't used the the fuser in months and months and months, and about four or five days ago I put it on. And she's like, that's it. I said, yeah, I said, and by the way that liver kidney cleans was working, that's why I got rid of it, right right exactly. You know. But we we have these environmental things that we don't even think about, which are sometimes endocrine disruptors. There's, uh, you know, the interact sometimes with some of these supplements as well, uh, you know, the other other chemicals and products. I mean, when you look at tablets, the ingredients that have to be used to make tablets the sorbitols and the sugars, and the binding agents and the caking anti stick agents so that they don't stick in the bottle. All that stuff that just multiplied, you know, one hundred times when you're giving them on a regular basis. Yeah, and it's interesting.

40:45 I looked at another item here that the ingredient label for on on the manufacturing side, citric acid. The ingredient labels it's citric acid. Now where do you go out in nature and find citrus acid? Of course, this is like one of the major one of the major suppliers of food products across the globe. Actually one of the biggest soy companies in the world. This particular one happened to come from their corn business units, so it's obviously it's a corn based one. But there's nothing but it doesn't tell you that. And that's what you see on your label of your supplement is citric acid.

41:29 Again, how is it processed? And everything else? And you know, yes, they do disrupt humans as well, any mammal well not only mammals, I mean, you know, basically every creature. When you start getting into synthetics, even our plants don't work well with them, you know, at least in a natural sense. But yeah, this whole balance thing, the true test for balance is really watching what your animals really doing, isn't it How they move, how they react, the brightness in their eyes, the touch of them, their you know, their skin and their coat, the textures, all of that sort of stuff are the true indicators of health, aren't they. Yeah? Sure, So it's a reflection of what's going on in the body is shown always to our observation and what we're seeing on the outside of the body. It sure is. Yeah, you know, you know, my recommendation always is is number one with disease. Of course, if you think you've got something, start to approach you. You don't need a ton of you know, expensive testing and answert that you just start going down that route. But also if you need vitamins and minerals and even probiotics and things of this nature where they found in nature, just find the most natural food that has these in a bioavailable form. And that's the most

43:01 important part about that, isn't it The bioavailability. Bioavailability Sure, rather than synthesized you know, bacteria in the lab. You know now that probiotic business industry is really now rampant. You know, there's so many different formulations, I'm sure as you know, and I remember just a short time ago, ten twelve years ago, it was really nothing, not much of you know, in that in that industry. But you know, it's certainly like you would say, there's certainly foods like raw goat's milk, like you said in Kiefer, that nourished the gut in more appropriate way. And you know, when you look at a product like that, I mean you're not only it's not just the probiotic aspect of it, because you know, commercial probiotics in order to sell them, you know, and have them shelf stable, they have to pasteurize those, and pasturization does what to the organisms? It kills them. Yeah, so it's dead bacteria, right, So you're so you're getting a jar of dead bacteria for fifty bucks. That's really a bargain, right, you know. But that that key for that yogurt, the raw goat smelk and cow's milk, that's loaded with literally dozens of not hundreds of different vitamins, enzymes, and nutrients, isn't it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And it's in a food form, which it's supposed to be.

44:30 And you know, certainly we've seen plenty of animals who's digestive symptoms improved just by adding these foods. You know, it's it's interesting too. I mean, you know when people say different things about the different foods. An example that I sometimes use too is you take turkey and pork as an animal as a food. Those uh animals, they're nutrient One of their nutrients that they have is vitamin C. If you eat beef, there's no vitamin C in beef. So that's why again, rotation, rotation, rotation, you know, keep varying it because the body is going to take what it needs and get rid of the rest, right, And that's what creates homeostasis, isn't it. Yeah, And then the animals that you know, we get this argument all the time when you know, we talk about the rotating protein diet, meat diet, Well, my animal can't handle this protein and you can't handle that protein. Well, it's part of being in a state of toxicity.

45:31 And you know, we have to allow our animals time to adjust to the raw diet. And if they're liver and kidneys need to be cleaned out, that's where they you know, your herbals and botanicals come in to assist that process. So you know, that argument of my animal can't handle variety is a common one in the you know, in the conventional world especially. Yeah, it is, and it's you know, it's because different foods, different herbs, different botanicals they take out verus. They're not just generalized cleaning units. They're very specific in the toxins that they remove, and that's an important part of it. We want to be able to get out what we need. We're up against the last few minutes, your doc, Where can people get hold of you? I always get that at my on my website, which is doctordimm dot com that's doctor spelled out d y M or one word dot com. That has my email address, my contact information, and as you've seen recently, Bill putting together some videos that they can go to on my social media page. Right, and uh, you know a lot of good information there. Yep, absolutely, And question, yes you still have. I'm sorry before you end you had a caller call and ask a question. Let me make sure I get this right. Are human is the only animals that seek out milk from other animals? In a technical sense, you're right, except that when a predator kills a lactating animal, they do

47:10 consume that milk. They do consume that breast tissue which is lowly with milk, and uh so, yes, they do not actually seek it, but you know, you get another it's part of the Yeah, that's right exactly, and that and those positions. But they're going nurse. You know, we get calls all the time. I mean of pets, you know, cross nursing. I mean, you know, when you got baby animals, you know, they'll put you know, different animals. You know, castle sometimes nurse off of the dog. Dogs will nurse off of the cat.

47:51 You know, it's part of nature. I think you asking adults adults are the only human adults are the only ones that seek out intentionally to drink the milk of other species. Well, it's I don't think it's really that we seek out. It's it's that it's just part of the you know, it's one of the foods that we found that can be consumed over time that we have you know, that we kind of adapted to I won't say evolved, but we've adapted to that that those are nutrients that we can use. Well, no, I think they mean billy. You know, humans are drinking almond milk and oat milk and soy milk. That's what I think by the only species that seeks out those that will choose to drink those things. Yeah, yeah, that's another take on it. But the question that that another question that I popped up there. Yes, you have time to order at my paleopat any of the treats I need the entrees and including the tenderloins filets for your dog for Christmas and the holidays, whether if you ever holiday you support anyway. We're up against the end of the show again, doctor dem we did it, so goodnight folks. Thanks for tuning in and watching us, and again share, like and subscribe so we get this message out.

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